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Post by thisisliz on Mar 27, 2007 22:41:28 GMT -5
Hmm, now that I'm thinking about it, it could be that the spaceship is still within the gravitational orbit around the Earth. Hmmm.... Right, "Earth Orbit" seems to imply that they're orbiting earth....in which case they're in space (and that rhymed, damn I should've been a poet)....yeah, I'm just confused....
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Post by Arya on May 25, 2007 6:29:35 GMT -5
would like to know wat other characters dream.....we only know that Capa and Cassie have the same dream of falling into the sun...i have my doubts about Mace having dreams of Cassie though b/c in the movie he is, i guess u can say, practically obsessed with the mission to restart the sun. wen i saw the movie, i suppose i was able to pick up on the 'relationship' between Capa and Cassie, but not of the other characters. and truthfully, in the movie, Cassie is a bit weak. whenever sumthing turns sour she starts to cry or gets this depressed expression and when Pinbacker was chasing her, she didn't give out the impression that she was of military background at all....more like a female character in Scream running blindly into the darkness and overcome with fear. Mace on the other hand is a resilient and strong character, completely the opposite of Cassie. In fact i'd even go to say that Mace was irritated by Cassie....i just don't see this connection between them that everyone is suggesting
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Post by sunshinedna on May 25, 2007 11:42:11 GMT -5
Cassie, like many of the characters when the film starts, is suffering deeply from boredom and depression. Not only has she had 16 months of nothing to do except read and re-read her book, but she's also had all of that time to think about her decision to terminate her pregnancy... and perhaps have to live in close proximity to the father and holding all of the information in. Clearly, she will have thought about whether or not her decision was the correct one. Should she have chosen to remain on Earth and had her baby or continue in her role on the mission and risk her life in space. After 16 months, I suspect she feels she made the wrong choice. The fact that she cries has nothing to do with the fact that she can fly or had military training, it's because she is a person with emotions. If you think that astronauts or military personnel don't have emotions then you are fooling yourself- talk to anyone who has served in the military during *any* conflict and you will learn that. They are human beings who feel fear, joy, awe, sadness, anger... Also, if you watch the film again you will *definitely* see 'looks' between Mace and Cassie. Absolutely.
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Post by Starry_MelC on May 25, 2007 12:17:50 GMT -5
The fact that she cries has nothing to do with the fact that she can fly or had military training, it's because she is a person with emotions. If you think that astronauts or military personnel don't have emotions then you are fooling yourself- talk to anyone who has served in the military during *any* conflict and you will learn that. They are human beings who feel fear, joy, awe, sadness, anger... Also, if you watch the film again you will *definitely* see 'looks' between Mace and Cassie. Absolutely. Exactly. I actually think people with military training experience more feelings altogether due to their experience and everything. And the looks between Mace and Cassie is definately there. Especially during the voting part. (I cant say too much here)
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Post by kaliszewski on May 25, 2007 17:09:50 GMT -5
Gosh golly, screw the dumb plane rides and the dorms: they should have come to Cubeland to research their characters. After sixteen years, I know I made a few wrong choices (but can I [afford to] leave? Nope!). And if you want stress, boredom, and depression.... Let's put it this way: I'm the only one I know of in our crew who's not on anti-depressants-- and my (joking-- sure, mm hm) motto is No matter how hard you try, you can't wish yourself dead.Then again-- if they were researching how boredom, stress, and depression lead people to mess up, make mistakes, and boggle judgment calls, we're not the folks to watch. We may be nightside, we may be something of a collection of weirdos, and we may be cut off from outside support-- but we get the job done. And we've been doing it for years and years....
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Post by sunshinedna on May 25, 2007 18:07:01 GMT -5
Ah, but, Kali, *you* have the internets to keep you sane
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Post by kaliszewski on May 25, 2007 18:12:56 GMT -5
This is SANE...?!?
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Post by massiefan on May 29, 2007 18:45:03 GMT -5
I ask myself that same questions every day...
Anyways, SO GLAD to hear that other people on this site have recognized the Massie elements in this movie. All I can say is...squee!
I actually think there's a little bit of envy in this movie on Mace's part. I reckon he's definitely got feelings for Cassie but probably doesn't have a lot of ideas what to do about it. His character isn't dispassionate, but he's not emotional. IMO, it's one of those classic 'guy not wanting to talk about his feelings' episodes.
Plus, I'm quite sure our gorgeous engineer doesn't like the idea of Capsie in any way, shape or form.
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Post by massiefan on May 30, 2007 0:52:55 GMT -5
Sorry to double post, but something just occurred to me.
There's a lot of speculation that the father of Cassie's aborted child may have been one of the Icarus II crew members (Mace, according the the fandoms page). However, if this was true, don't you think that Cassie would have opted out of the mission, especially if there were a whole lot of other experienced pilots willing to take her place. Also, I think that if - I'm referring to speculation here - Mace WAS the father, (which I'm not saying he is) don't you think that Cassie probably would have made efforts to avoid him in her daily traversings around the ship? I mean, things would have been pretty awkward, even though the father didn't know that Cassie carried and aborted his kid.
I just thought I'd post this, cause for some reason, I'm just not particularly keen on the idea that Mace could be the father of Cassie's unborn child. Don't know why (I know shippers who'd DIE for an idea like that in THEIR pairings), but I just...don't.
Anyone here in the same boat as me? Not necessarily Massie shippers, but people who don't think the father of Cassie's baby was any of the Icarus II crew members?
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Post by sunshinedna on May 30, 2007 4:30:21 GMT -5
Personally, I think that it *is* Mace and that's why she's so delicate. Perhaps when she got pregnant she saw it as a big mistake- I mean, preparing for the biggest mission *ever* and you can't even take your pills properly?! (note: I seem to remember there being 'pills' in her props. Does anyone know if they were, in fact, birth control pills?!)... I doubt having a termination was an issue for her at the time.
She could have seen the pregnancy as a "private medical issue" which didn't involve anyone else - including the man who got her pregnant... but after months of having nothing to do it started to play on her mind. She didn't have anything else to do other than think about it - nothing to distract her from it... and the fact that Mace (I'm sticking with him!) was around made it even more difficult...
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Post by kaliszewski on May 30, 2007 7:15:35 GMT -5
Got my own rank spekklations over in Fic-land (a.k.a. "Apocrypha NOW!")-- but, hey, do you think The Pill will still be in fashion fifty years hence...? Seems like quarterly or semi-annual or yearly shots'll be all the rage....
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Post by beccajilh on Jun 3, 2007 11:31:41 GMT -5
first post here, I felt I had to give my opinion after reading the back stories (but I saw the film on the day of release in the UK, so my memory of all details isn’t perfect!)
They were very interesting to read and one thing I found surprising about Cassie was this information
My opinion when I saw the film was that Cassie was the most emotional by far and seemed to be not dealing with the stresses of the mission particularly well Then, after reading the part about her terminated pregnancy, this suggests to me that she was greatly affected by this and the father was aboard the ship. Cassie appeared to be a very well adjusted to the stresses and emotions of the mission in her tests, but the pregnancy and being in close confines with the father could suggest the reason for her unbalanced emotions after many months.
BY the sound of it, she did not expect the aborted baby to interfere with her mission (which, no doubt, she was very dedicated to and isn’t likely to drop out of because of one thing. She had been given a huge opportunity and she probably went against her own emotions to continue with it) but perhaps it has affected her more than she thought it would. The fact that Searle knew about her pregnancy also makes you question his judgement. As a psychiatrist, should he have let her continue with the mission so soon after an abortion? Maybe he thought it wouldn't affect her, or maybe he recognised Cassie's determination for the trip.
Overall, Garland clearly wrote these back stories for a reason. There must be a reason Mace dreams of Cassie every night. I reckon he was the father, but his emotional detachment and fixation on 'the mission' in comparison with Cassie's liking of 'human emotion' may be the reason she decided to terminate the pregnancy. Mace wouldn't exactly be the sort of guy to abandon his mission completely because he fathered a child (and there has to be a reason why she didn't tell the father) There was a connection between these two in the film, although it mainly seemed to involve him being jealous over Cassie and Capa (which would further add to his dislike of Capa).
Sorry the post was so long, and I want to see the film again now to compare the back stories!
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Post by chero on Jun 3, 2007 12:10:52 GMT -5
Awesome first post, beccajilh! Don't feel sorry for it at all. I'm glad that you want to see the film again. I agree with you completely!
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Post by massiefan on Jun 3, 2007 20:40:34 GMT -5
Okay, well it's taken me a total of...5 days to accept the fact that Mace is probably the father of Cassie's unborn child. Now I don't mind the idea of it so much...besides, think of the fanfic possiblilities...*grins* I agree with what you guys have said, and it does make a lot of sense that it's Mace... I have been attacked by at least three rabid plot bunnies over the weekend, so some writing may be in order here regarding Massie in the parenthood sense.
Out of curiousity on the same subject, what do you guys reckon Mace's reaction would be if he found out the truth? IMO, he'd be angry and confused to start with, and would have trouble talking to Cassie for some time. After a while he'd come to terms with it, I think, because he'd accept that her telling him was probably a good thing - the more truthful they are with one another, the more they trust one another, the better they work together etc. I also think Mace would be a little less impatient around her afterwards, becuase he'd be more in tune with why she feels the way she does. He'd probably think about her more and dream of her constantly, and there could even be a hefty dose of 'what if?' in terms of him, Cassie, and their unborn child.
I dunno, this is just my inner shipper talking. What do you guys think?
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Post by kaliszewski on Jun 4, 2007 1:57:11 GMT -5
Actually... the pregnancy issue has made me uncomfortable from the start. I've been wondering all along how the character stories for "Sunshine" would have differed had the actors gone the way of Naomie Harris in "28 Days Later" and cooked up their own backstories. Hard to explain: It took a very personal mental deep-breath-and-jump for me to bring this stuff into "Pod." (Normally-- if I can in any way use the word "normal" or any of its variants in any sentence referring to me, myself, and I-- I wouldn't dream of using pregnancy as a plot device.) I dunno: if Garland wasn't going to follow up on it, or play it through, or actually USE Cassie's reproductive issues for anything, I don't see why he brought them up. It might've cleared the bar in my head if Rose Byrne had concocted the backstory; as it stands, it just makes me really, really uneasy. I'm a Capsie fan, anyway. Oh, well....
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