|
|
Post by chero on Dec 26, 2007 15:44:29 GMT -5
With Harvey slowly losing his cool during the later stages of the mission, should the Icarus II team have appointed another crew member (ie. Mace, Corazon etc) to the position of Captain after Kaneda's death? In hindsight, yes. However, Harvey only got out of hand when the airlock was decoupled manually. During this time, the boys took the situation into their own hands and Harvey was just there to panic. His only decision was quickly overruled by the others. In essence, Harvey's position was removed. Would you enjoy spending time on a spaceship for several months? |
|
|
|
Post by kaliszewski on Dec 27, 2007 9:17:13 GMT -5
Sure. Give me a job to do, a hole to hide in when my fellow astronauts are gnawing off my last nerve, and my movies, stuff to read, and a place to exercise, and I'd be good to go. Can't imagine it'd be much different than things are right now, here in the Land of Ten Trillion Snowflakes!
Would you volunteer to take-- or even insist on taking-- Capa's place to repair the shield?
|
|
|
|
Post by chero on Dec 27, 2007 15:33:56 GMT -5
Would you volunteer to take-- or even insist on taking-- Capa's place to repair the shield? , only if I knew I could handle the job. If you were on the team and you were asked to be Captain (either the original or the successor), would you do it? |
|
|
|
Post by massiefan on Dec 28, 2007 0:51:14 GMT -5
No. I know I wouldn't be a suitable person for such a job. Apparently I've got the potential to be a good leader, but right now, I'm basically an adolescent, female, stubborn, hotheaded, impulsive version of Mace. Who WOULD make a good leader, but you gotta have at least vague people skills for such a job...which I greviously lack...
If you were in Capa's position when Icarus informed him of the presence of a 'fifth crew member', would you have informed the rest of the crew of the situation before pursuing the intruder yourself?
|
|
|
|
Post by kaliszewski on Dec 28, 2007 5:17:12 GMT -5
Yes. Not that it would have done much good: I'm a hard-core mumbler, and so is Capa, so combining us would produce a transmitted message sounding something like this: "Hey, guys, Icarus says there's [fimbles] and not [flurgersus], and the spare [mumberflitzer] is heading [glurmberspeck]. So [blurgle], okay?"
Would Mission Control have agreed with Capa's decision to go after the spare payload?
|
|
|
|
Post by chero on Dec 28, 2007 17:21:51 GMT -5
Yes. Not that it would have done much good: I'm a hard-core mumbler, and so is Capa, so combining us would produce a transmitted message sounding something like this: "Hey, guys, Icarus says there's [fimbles] and not [flurgersus], and the spare [mumberflitzer] is heading [glurmberspeck]. So [blurgle], okay?" Would Mission Control have agreed with Capa's decision to go after the spare payload?You are too [blarpy], Kali! ;D Oh my! This is a tough question! Again, in hindsight, it would have been a big NO, but then again I'm such a worrywort. I'd like to know that there's a backup or a real good chance of being successful at something. So, if I didn't know what the outcome would have been, I would have said yes. In regards to the extra payload, would you have went along with Kaneda and Searle's mentality to pass the decision to the "payload professional"? |
|
|
|
Post by kaliszewski on Dec 28, 2007 20:08:55 GMT -5
Absolutely not. Capa may be the "payload professional," but he's not the "ship professional" or even the "mission professional." He knows nothing about the logistical requirements or risks of acquiring that second payload. Any decision regarding the operation or performance of the ship and the safety of the crew as a whole would have to require input from the pilot, with final override or go-ahead authority residing with the captain. Capa's wanting the bomb doesn't make getting the bomb prudent or necessarily possible, and this mission was planned with only one bomb in mind. I might think it would be nice if my Mini could jump the Mississippi; that doesn't mean my Mini CAN jump the Mississippi. I'd ask the mechanics at Motorwerks if such a stunt were advisable before giving it a go...!
I've actually wondered if there wasn't a scene in an earlier draft of the screenplay where Capa, having been told that they're NOT going after the second payload, goads Trey into changing course on the sly. The idea as played out in the film-- that Trey would have changed course all alone on the flight deck, with neither Cassie as pilot nor Mace as co-pilot on hand-- has never rung true to me....
Given the length of the voyage out, and the fact that he's not only a communications specialist but an inventor as well, should Harvey have had time to formulate a fix for the communications blackout in the Dead Zone?
|
|
|
|
Post by chero on Dec 28, 2007 23:14:12 GMT -5
Any decision regarding the operation or performance of the ship and the safety of the crew as a whole would have to require input from the pilot, with final override or go-ahead authority residing with the captain. Precisely why Cassie should be the crew member that gets replaced (and not Harvey, in my opinion).  I think she was unprofessional seeing that she is pilot and that she agreed with Capa's decision. Cassie blamed Kaneda for everything when (again, in my opinion) the blame should have partially gone to her. I might be bias on this one though...  The idea as played out in the film-- that Trey would have changed course all alone on the flight deck, with neither Cassie as pilot nor Mace as co-pilot on hand-- has never rung true to me.... Really? In the film, Capa said that Mace, Harvey and Trey didn't like his decision unless I am misunderstanding you. Given the length of the voyage out, and the fact that he's not only a communications specialist but an inventor as well, should Harvey have had time to formulate a fix for the communications blackout in the Dead Zone? I'll let someone else answer this one. I'm still stumped. |
|
|
|
Post by kaliszewski on Dec 28, 2007 23:38:23 GMT -5
Ahh... I was just looking at the course change from a procedural standpoint, not whether or not anyone liked it.  Trey was alone when he set them on their new course, and I really think that at least one other member of the mission's flight team should have been present when that happened. I know that if I were flying something that big, I'd want to be on-hand for any major changes in direction...! |
|
|
|
Post by chero on Dec 28, 2007 23:45:39 GMT -5
Thanks for clearing that up, Kali.  Well of course, you don't want Trey to be all alone. *wink, wink, nudge, nudge, giggle, giggle* More seriously, it could have been a professional preference. Sometimes people just need to be alone in order to keep focused, etc. Trey seems like a perfectionist - a geeky, one-man type maybe. Heck, he did the virus by himself. |
|
|
|
Post by kaliszewski on Dec 29, 2007 4:53:46 GMT -5
No problem! As for Cassie-- I would've liked to have seen Kaneda ask for her input, even if she still ended up agreeing with Capa. Think it would have made for a very interesting scene....
But you-- BIASED ABOUT KANEDA? NAW!!! ;D
|
|
|
|
Post by chero on Jan 1, 2008 10:22:55 GMT -5
Is "SUNSHINE" a decent password for the payload?
|
|
|
|
Post by massiefan on Jan 3, 2008 0:58:59 GMT -5
Well, it fits nicely into the story, incorporating the title like that. I'm not sure...from a security pov, probably not, but I guess the payload was unlikely to be overridden by a psycho, so I don't know if that's a valid point.
Did Trey commit suicide? (Open to interpretation/speculation)
|
|
|
|
Post by nimue on Jan 7, 2008 21:43:03 GMT -5
No. He was killed by the hot psychotic Icarus captain, IMO.
Question: Do you think anyone of them are bisexual?
|
|
|
|
Post by chero on Jan 9, 2008 22:57:11 GMT -5
Question: Do you think anyone of them are bisexual? Personally, I want to say no because all of the men are mine, but in 50 years time who knows? Everyone could be considered bisexual. Women are already used to the male gaze in film... Since we are on the topic of gender: Would you have liked Sunshine just as much if Icarus had a male voice? |
|
I think she was unprofessional seeing that she is pilot and that she agreed with Capa's decision. Cassie blamed Kaneda for everything when (again, in my opinion) the blame should have partially gone to her. I might be bias on this one though... 
Trey was alone when he set them on their new course, and I really think that at least one other member of the mission's flight team should have been present when that happened. I know that if I were flying something that big, I'd want to be on-hand for any major changes in direction...!
Well of course, you don't want Trey to be all alone. *wink, wink, nudge, nudge, giggle, giggle* More seriously, it could have been a professional preference. Sometimes people just need to be alone in order to keep focused, etc. Trey seems like a perfectionist - a geeky, one-man type maybe. Heck, he did the virus by himself.
