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Post by brittany on Mar 5, 2007 16:36:29 GMT -5
Humanity in general isn't worth saving. We're a dirty, destructive virus of a species. Punctuator, baby, I agree with you wholeheartedly with your second point here, but cannot, in all consciousness, agree with your first point. Come back to me with your thoughts on saving humans and humanity when you or someone you love has endured a life-threatening illness or loved someone near death under any circumstance. I can assure you that you will change your mind about life and what is worth living. Funny how death and near-death changes one's perspective. Just my two cents, k? I'll add a dollar to this!
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Post by chero on Mar 5, 2007 16:43:22 GMT -5
Whooooa. It's a British film produced by an American company. Americans should have everything the rest of the world has. Especially the movie. Well if that means "spoiler" images and all, then that's a stupid way to promote a movie with a much later US release date. But if the US release didn't change, I'll see your point.
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Post by Starry_MelC on Mar 5, 2007 22:59:31 GMT -5
here's my 2 cents.... When Corazon tells Capa and Cassie (whoa, that's a whole lot of C's here) that:" We need to lose two more", Mace heard it in a corner and left to warn others. Capa saw Mace and end up in a fight, Capa threatens to kill him or something or manages (somehow) to convince him it's actually a good idea to ''lose the others''. In the end, Mace, Capa, Cassie and Corazon are the 4 left. The 5th one is probably pinbacker... or is it Kaneda? (after the scene where there Searle asks him what he sees and you can see a whole lot of fire, *if he's still alive* he'll probably look like that bloody/burnt person whom I assume is the 5th person) Why he attacks the others is beyond me... maybe revenge for letting him go first? (maybe the fire thing was a plan from the 3C's to ''lose 2 more'' ) Ok, I know I'm way overboard here, so I'm gonna stop... >.<
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Post by chero on Mar 5, 2007 23:19:46 GMT -5
here's my 2 cents.... When Corazon tells Capa and Cassie (whoa, that's a whole lot of C's here) that:" We need to lose two more", Mace heard it in a corner and left to warn others. Capa saw Mace and end up in a fight, Capa threatens to kill him or something or manages (somehow) to convince him it's actually a good idea to ''lose the others''. In the end, Mace, Capa, Cassie and Corazon are the 4 left. The 5th one is probably pinbacker... or is it Kaneda? (after the scene where there Searle asks him what he sees and you can see a whole lot of fire, *if he's still alive* he'll probably look like that bloody/burnt person whom I assume is the 5th person) Why he attacks the others is beyond me... maybe revenge for letting him go first? (maybe the fire thing was a plan from the 3C's to ''lose 2 more'' ) Cool! In reference to the Sunshine's Themes thread, I would say your speculation on the fight scene is pretty good. It is logical to "lose two more", but on the other hand, is it moral? In the end, it comes down to logic vs. morality.
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Post by thisisliz on Mar 5, 2007 23:39:00 GMT -5
here's my 2 cents.... When Corazon tells Capa and Cassie (whoa, that's a whole lot of C's here) that:" We need to lose two more", Mace heard it in a corner and left to warn others. Capa saw Mace and end up in a fight, Capa threatens to kill him or something or manages (somehow) to convince him it's actually a good idea to ''lose the others''. In the end, Mace, Capa, Cassie and Corazon are the 4 left. But Mace is there for that conversation, Capa is the one not shown....
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Post by kagerou on Mar 6, 2007 0:06:51 GMT -5
Let me just say that I pretty much always expected all of the crew members to die (Danny: "You don't know who's gonna die, who's gonna survive, or whatever") so if any of them actually live I'd be pretty excited. But also, I don't mind, and occasionally quite like, depressing movies so even if they do all die it wouldn't ruin going to see it for me. Perhaps this is true because I am younger...?
I think the most depressing thing about this is not anything that happens in the movie, but the way fans may take it. I've had those kinds of situations too, and sometimes I get over it and sometimes I don't. I hate those kinds of things. So alas that you'll leave us, punctuator, if I may say so, but we loved it while it lasted.
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Post by Amanda on Mar 6, 2007 1:13:56 GMT -5
Yeah, Sunshine is just a movie, but I've met a ton of the most incredible people I've ever known because of the silly thing! I think that's why it's so important to tough it out. Once we've all seen it we're going to be so relieved, but we'll always remember all of the great people we've met because of it!
...I'm pulling my own thread off-topic, but I don't even care! I love all of you guys!
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Post by Starry_MelC on Mar 6, 2007 2:20:57 GMT -5
here's my 2 cents.... When Corazon tells Capa and Cassie (whoa, that's a whole lot of C's here) that:" We need to lose two more", Mace heard it in a corner and left to warn others. Capa saw Mace and end up in a fight, Capa threatens to kill him or something or manages (somehow) to convince him it's actually a good idea to ''lose the others''. In the end, Mace, Capa, Cassie and Corazon are the 4 left. But Mace is there for that conversation, Capa is the one not shown.... My apologies... hmm... that pretty much blows off what I just said.. Perhaps it's the other way around? Maybe Mace is trying to "lose the others" while Capa is stopping him??? Oh my... I'm having a headache... >.< I agree with chero with the logic vs. morality... BTW, what's up with punctuator? I'm a bit confused here...
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Post by kaliszewski on Mar 6, 2007 2:47:04 GMT -5
I was getting abrasive as punctuator, if not downright obnoxious, so I bumped myself off, so to say. Maybe under my own name I'll be more civil. Hey, folks: sorry for the confusion. I still have that big last chunk of fiction to write, after all. I was punctuator. I punted punctuator. Now I'm me. The unpronounceable kaliszewski has come in to roost. But-- since I've already dragged this thread way off base in a most unpleasant way-- might I be the first to ask: Does anyone else think it might be a very bad career move for Capa to get into a dustup with Mace...? Honestly: who do you think would win in a brawl between our resident wiry scrapper and Mr. Ex-Military-Brawn--?
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Post by sunshinedna on Mar 6, 2007 8:45:57 GMT -5
If this whole thing hinges on optimism arising from the saving of humanity, then you and Alex Garland have missed my boat. Humanity in general isn't worth saving. We're a dirty, destructive virus of a species. Punctuator says humanity isn't worth saving... but are they worth destroying? Let's say you have to make a choice: do one thing and the human race continues to live, do another thing and the whole human race ceases to exist. Why would you make that choice? What is it about 'humanity' which is so important that it should be saved/destroyed? And then we get to my Themes thread... and "meaning"... does any of it mean anything at all? And, by the way, I'm glad you're here, Kim!
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Post by Amanda on Mar 6, 2007 9:05:07 GMT -5
Hey! Kim! Welcome back (and I hope you change your mind about leaving after that fic...)! No offense to the Cillian board, but it's so much nicer talking to people over here...!
And, regarding Capa vs. Mace, it looks like Capa's doing a pretty good job in the new trailer... Mace is built like a freakin' 18-wheeler, but I'd still put my money on Capa in a fight. He's tiny and could probably run really fast, not to mention dodge punches like whoa.
Re: Saving vs. destroying humanity:
I think if it were up to me--and I'm taking this with what we've seen so far, so probably if I'm making a decision like this and I'm on the Icarus II right now and I have to make that decision--I'd be saving humanity by obligation. I mean, these people were picked specifically, so whether they care about humanity or not, wouldn't the sense of obligation be so vast that they'd hardly be able to fight it? I guess it's different for everyone, and I'm really easily guilted into things and made to feel obligated to do them, but I really think that's what I'd be feeling if it were me. It's the morality discussion again!
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Post by chero on Mar 6, 2007 10:05:23 GMT -5
I was getting abrasive as punctuator, if not downright obnoxious, so I bumped myself off, so to say. Maybe under my own name I'll be more civil. Hey, folks: sorry for the confusion. I still have that big last chunk of fiction to write, after all. I was punctuator. I punted punctuator. Now I'm me. The unpronounceable kaliszewski has come in to roost. But-- since I've already dragged this thread way off base in a most unpleasant way-- might I be the first to ask: Does anyone else think it might be a very bad career move for Capa to get into a dustup with Mace...? Honestly: who do you think would win in a brawl between our resident wiry scrapper and Mr. Ex-Military-Brawn--? I will add you back onto the moderator's list as soon as I can. I'm leaving soon, but I promise your name will be there again! ;D As for Capa's career, I think if he did anything rash against Mace (fangirls, quiet down) then it could mean losing your occupation (on either end). Since we don't know exactly what they were fighting about, it could be simply a matter of life or death.
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Post by Amanda on Mar 6, 2007 12:36:43 GMT -5
I think that by the time Capa starts fighting Mace, all thoughts of saving his career have gone out the window and he's more focused on saving his life, like you said, Chero. I just don't think there's any way someone like Capa, this extremely intelligent man, would fight someone like Mace while he was on this mission simply because he got too angry.
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Post by kaliszewski on Mar 6, 2007 15:47:09 GMT -5
Thanks, chero! Sometimes I just have to re-boot, y'know...? Amanda: I think we might be surprised (and pepper this one with winks): I mean, what we're gonna be looking at in "Sunshine" will be like a reality show called "Cabin Fever Extreme." This will not be why Mace and Capa are fighting ('cause this is a serious-type movie), but after SIXTEEN MONTHS IN SPACE, it COULD go like this: CAPA: You change the TP roll in the aft head, idiot? MACE: No. There wasn't any Charmin. And don't call me 'idiot,' Brainiac." CAPA: You're the braidiot, idiot! MACE: [snorting] You called me 'braidiot.'" CAPA: DIIIIIIE!!!! Doesn't matter how smart you are. Doesn't matter if you might lose your job. That's the thing about human beings: sometimes they just SNAP. That's where drama comes in. SO: Alternate take: CAPA: You change the TP roll in the aft head, idiot? MACE: Sorry, Capa, I would have-- but I thought you might find the Scott tissue abrasive. I was going to consult with you first. And-- I don't mean to criticize-- but I'd appreciate it deeply if you called me by my name. CAPA: I just called you 'idiot,' didn't I? MACE: You did. CAPA: Please accept my sincere apologies, Mr. Mace. MACE: No problem, man. Good thing we defused the situation before we resorted to primitive acts of violence, huh? CAPA: It is. They're filming this, you know. MACE: Hey, that's right. [Puts arm around CAPA's shoulders. They turn to face the camera.] TOGETHER: Hi, Danny! [Crickets chirp. Audience goes for popcorn refills.] ***** But, yeah, those little wiry guys can be nasty fighters. Think it would be an interesting battle. Mace would have the muscles and the training, and Capa would have the stainless-steel will to scrap. It would take a lot to flip his switch, and, once flipped-- look out. How does that old chestnut go: "Beware the anger of a patient man."...?
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Post by kagerou on Mar 6, 2007 19:23:02 GMT -5
Hey, wiry guys can fight! Just look at Brick: Brendan can take a hell of a lot of damage and still come out on top. (Haha, if no one knows this movie, sorry. But it's good. Go rent it. )P.S.: Welcome back, Kim. Though I'm sure you've heard it enough.
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