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Post by aroreiel on Apr 13, 2007 9:50:45 GMT -5
That was a lovely moment.
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Post by hongi on Apr 15, 2007 23:04:23 GMT -5
It could be a totally random stranger back on Earth. But that's no fun.
Okay, here's my totally wacked out theory:
Trey.
Trey!?
Trey. Cassie stood up for him when they were discussing whether to kill him. She said something on the lines of "I know the logic...but I can't." Yeah, very little evidence.
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Post by chero on Apr 16, 2007 0:49:41 GMT -5
Are you suggesting Cassie and Trey being together at one point? Our moderator Kali (who hasn't seen the film yet) would love to hear that! That would be a spoilerish comment though! I'm just saying...
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Post by hongi on Apr 16, 2007 3:03:12 GMT -5
Well, it would certainly make an interesting fanfic.
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Post by aroreiel on Apr 16, 2007 7:23:01 GMT -5
Wow, I never thought about Cassie and Trey like that. Hmmm, interesting.
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Post by brittany on Apr 16, 2007 15:04:44 GMT -5
Okay, if we are revealing possible backstories, then I shall share mine... I've been thinking that maybe Searle and the lady who voiced Icarus would be in a relationship. The computer's voice would be a constant reminder to him. Weird I know... I'll go back to my cave now.
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Post by Starry_MelC on Apr 16, 2007 18:20:41 GMT -5
Okay, if we are revealing possible backstories, then I shall share mine... I've been thinking that maybe Searle and the lady who voiced Icarus would be in a relationship. The computer's voice would be a constant reminder to him. Weird I know... I'll go back to my cave now. haha... that's so cute...
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Post by cmdahms on Apr 18, 2007 0:37:50 GMT -5
Just my take on the ultimate question... Q: Who is the father of Cassie’s baby? A: I am suspecting either someone outside the mission or Capa, but mostly Capa. Reason: It talks about her finding out 4 months before mission left EARTH ORBIT, which means they were on the ship… most likely going through different stages of training on the Icarus II, as Cassie mentions to Capa: “You’ve done this thousands of times during training in Earth Orbit.” So that limits down the possible suspects to mostly the crew (albeit that it is also possible other people could have been involved during the early stages of training who did not remain onboard.) Now the other most likely candidate apart from Capa is Mace. The reason why I didn’t choose him is proven in his ‘dreams’ as stated in his background: “He never remembers his dreams. If he did, he’d find, TO HIS SURPRISE, that he often dreams of Cassie.” If he had had sex with Cassie, or was in a relationship with her, then surely it wouldn’t be a surprise to be dreaming about her… would it? So I’m ruling Mace out. However, the argument against Capa being the father is that he doesn’t seem to respond to Cassie like a prior or present lover would. Yet, when he awakes from his nightmare and finds her in his bedroom, sitting on his bed, he is not surprised, just accepts it as if it has happened before. By their conversation, it seems they are both having the same dream… of the surface of the sun (where all the other crew according to their backgrounds, with the exception of Searle & Kaneda, are having more personal dreams. I’ve listed them below). In the Payload Room, Cassie goes there to seek him out, Capa having to let her inside. They are indifferent to each other and yet not (which sounds silly I know, but I’m sure you understand when you’ve seen the scene). Another thing I found interesting is that when the lights all go out towards the end of the picture because of Pinbacker’s sabotage, Cassie is in her bedroom and she calls out for Capa, as if she thinks he is nearby, later when we see her walking through the ship with the torch, she is still calling Capa’s name. Why not Corazon, or Mace? Why just Capa? The fact that Cassie seems to show all the emotion and Capa none is in keeping with their characters. As is stated in Capa’s background, “Capa is by nature a loner.” Therefore he is not one to show a great deal of emotion and likes to hide away, both internally and externally (Payload Room). Also, the situation of being couped up onboard a ship for nearly four years (that’s if they’d made the return journey) means that any ‘hanky panky’ would be frowned upon by the other members as it would be rather like rubbing their faces in it and would cause tension. Therefore I can see such a relationship happening during the Earth Orbit training time when everyone is getting to know one another and one’s like Capa are a fish out of water. I can see Cassie becoming interested in a man like him, a completely different person from the usual military types she would know. I could see a nervous Capa learning basic astronautic skills being encouraged by Cassie and that through her ‘care’ and his ‘nervousness’ a brief liaison to develop during this time. However, I can also see Capa being the one to nip it in the bud; so to speak, because the risks involved of having such a relationship during the mission… he wouldn’t do this because he doesn’t care for her, but for sake of the mission. He would put his work first and to do that he would sacrifice everything else. At this point I would even say it would have been a mutual abstaining from such a relationship as Cassie understands things from the military perspective and their affair would have been considered as a brief encounter and nothing more. Later, however, when she found herself pregnant and had to make the decision to terminate, her perspectives would have changed. As stated in her background: “The termination of her pregnancy had a subtle effect on her outlook - a discreet emotional accent in her perception of life, and death.” So that by the time we reach the crew, 16 months into the mission, Cassie is once more seeking moments with Capa. This could even have occurred sooner than this, as I stated earlier, Capa is not surprised to find her in his room as if this has happened a number of times before. I don’t believe however that they would have begun sexual relations again. I think this time is has become more of need to just be around each other, at least for Cassie. Also, it is interesting to note, that the moments when Cassie seems to be seeking Capa’s company are times when it is JUST THEM. The bedroom, the Payload Room, are places where they are isolated from everyone else onboard. She doesn’t do any ‘obvious’ moments (with the exception of helping Capa into his suit) during the times where the other crew members are around. So for me, I say that Capa was the father of the baby. ________________________________________ My References: Cassie has no primary partner, and, as with all the crew, she has no children. However, four months before the mission left Earth Orbit, Cassie became pregnant. The identity of the father was known only to her: he was never aware that Cassie was briefly carrying his child.
She terminated the pregnancy after six weeks. The only member of the crew who knows this is Searle, who assisted her in hiding her blood test results from the other doctors in the space program. The termination of her pregnancy had a subtle effect on her outlook - a discreet emotional accent in her perception of life, and death. This nuance might have skewed her psychological profiling, had the most crucial psych-tests not already been carried out.
She dreams continuously about the surface of the sun. ________________________________________ Because Capa is the only member of the crew who is not, by history and training, an astronaut, he is an outsider. In this respect, much of the crew see him as effectively a piece of valuable equipment, which must be transported intact to the delivery point. Capa is by nature a loner. ________________________________________ When Corazon sleeps, she dreams of rice-field terraces cut into hillsides. Harvey dreams of his wife every night. When he sleeps, Kaneda’s dreams are dominated by images of xxxxspoilerxxxx. Mace never remembers his own dreams. If he did, he’d find, to his surprise, that he often dreams of Cassie. When Trey sleeps, he dreams of number sequences. Searle’s dreams are not mentioned.
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Post by sunshinedna on Apr 18, 2007 6:07:04 GMT -5
I still think it's Mace. ;D There is an unspoken tension between the two of them. Little knowing glances. But not loving glances. I would suspect that there was a little 'fling' between the two of them, Cassie got pregnant, terminated it and then had 16 months to dwell on it... and see how hot-headed and cold-hearted he is... I think her relationship with Capa is 'very good friends' and nothing more. I see Cassie in the 'getting Capa in the spacesuit scene' as behaving more like she's taking care of him, mothering him maybe, rather than anything else. I started off thinking Capa was the father, but now that I've seen it so many times I'm sure it's Mace. Though, of course, the final piece to the puzzle would be asking Rose... I'm hoping to go to the 28 Weeks Later gala screening in the next couple weeks. If I get a chance to talk to her I will ask. ;D
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Post by chero on Apr 18, 2007 9:55:37 GMT -5
Though, of course, the final piece to the puzzle would be asking Rose... I'm hoping to go to the 28 Weeks Later gala screening in the next couple weeks. If I get a chance to talk to her I will ask. ;D Please do! Danny wouldn't answer this question, but she probably will. ;D
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Post by brittany on Apr 18, 2007 10:08:07 GMT -5
Now the other most likely candidate apart from Capa is Mace. The reason why I didn’t choose him is proven in his ‘dreams’ as stated in his background: “He never remembers his dreams. If he did, he’d find, TO HIS SURPRISE, that he often dreams of Cassie.” If he had had sex with Cassie, or was in a relationship with her, then surely it wouldn’t be a surprise to be dreaming about her… would it? So I’m ruling Mace out. You shouldn't rule Mace out entirely. "TO HIS SURPRISE" could easily mean that he thought Cassie was just a "fling" and not really an emotional attachment. But I see where you're going... I wanted it to be Capa but I just don't see it... ...at least in the movie.
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Post by Amanda on Apr 18, 2007 10:11:20 GMT -5
I think it's Mace, too.
There's definitely something to be said about the power of suggestion, but there's just the way Cassie looks at him... Especially in my *~*favorite scene*~* when she says that they'll finally be alone and he says that they've already been alone and she just looks at him like that...
Team Massie.
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Post by sunshinedna on Apr 18, 2007 14:00:34 GMT -5
Though, of course, the final piece to the puzzle would be asking Rose... I'm hoping to go to the 28 Weeks Later gala screening in the next couple weeks. If I get a chance to talk to her I will ask. ;D Please do! Danny wouldn't answer this question, but she probably will. ;D Danny doesn't know. Rose didn't tell anyone... Oh... I hope she's at 28wl...
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Post by cmdahms on Apr 18, 2007 18:17:08 GMT -5
The trouble is that we have no real 'movie' background on any of the characters and I am seriously guessing that a great number of scenes have been cut (can't wait for the dvd). Look at 28 days Later, after watching it with director/writer commentary, it gave a whole new perspective to the film. Also, the looks between Mace and Cassie, particularly the one that keeps getting mentioned, personally when I watched it a couple of times, to me it looks like she's more annoyed with him, and frankly Mace's character is someone who seems to just nitpick at people. I took her look to mean that she felt Mace was having a go at her comment about being alone and she didn't like it. Still, that's the thing, nobody knows exactly what's happened with these people before we joined them. Also, Mace hates Capa because Capa is outside the group, that's another thing mentioned in Mace's background. So it has nothing to do with the Cassie situation at all. Hopefully all these questions will be answered when the dvd comes out... otherwise we just have fun speculating.
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Post by brittany on Apr 18, 2007 18:53:59 GMT -5
Hopefully all these questions will be answered when the dvd comes out... otherwise we just have fun speculating. You should look at this: Were there any alternative endings made? - dino Chris: no alternative endings...we always had a great last scene. Is there a 'Directors Cut' coming out at any point? - dino Chris: No It's sad, but now you know.
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