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Post by kaliszewski on Sept 17, 2007 1:47:27 GMT -5
Will say, I'm kinda looking forward to the scene-- -- okay, the maybe-scene-- -- when Capa asks Mace why Cassie's private doings are any of Mace's business-- or why it should bother Cassie that Mace knows what she does in private-- except for the possibly slightly bothersome fact that (oooh, boy...  ) Mace is keeping tabs on her.Shit--? Fans--? Sounds like it from here! ...  |
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Post by massiefan on Sept 17, 2007 3:17:26 GMT -5
Hehe. That would be a good scene. I think there's a few questions there that Mace DOES need to answer, lol.
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Post by massiefan on Sept 17, 2007 4:22:28 GMT -5
My bad for the double post, but I was listening to one of the Offspring CDs and when I heard this song (one of my personal faves) I couldn't help but think how much it suited Mace's current feelings in our RPG!!!
My girlfriend, my dumb donut
Went out to a party just the other night
But three hours later, and seven shots of Jager
She was in the bedroom with another guy
And I don't really want to know
So don't tell me anymore
And I really don't want to hear
About her feet all up in the air
I'm not the one who acted like a ho
Why must I be the one who has to know
I'm not the one who messed up big time
So spare me the details if you don't mind
Now I can understand
Friends who want to tell me
Think they're gonna help me open up my eyes
But the play-by-play
Makes me want to lose it
Every time you do it man it turns the knife
Now I don't need to hear
About the sounds they were making
And I don't need to hear
About how long it was taking
Or how the walls they were shaking
Now lying in bed, wallowing in sorrow
Missing the tomorrow that we could have had
Running through my head, over and over
Things I never told her now just make me sad
And it drives me insane
Sitting with the vision
Stuck with that image burned into my brain
And I feel so dumb
That I could ever trust her
While someone else ****ed her
Then walked away
***
Not representative of the Massie ship at all - just something that I thought related to Angsty Mace atm.
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Post by brittany on Sept 17, 2007 8:32:57 GMT -5
-- when Capa asks Mace why Cassie's private doings are any of Mace's business-- or why it should bother Cassie that Mace knows what she does in private-- except for the possibly slightly bothersome fact that (oooh, boy... ) Mace is keeping tabs on her.I agree with Massiefan on this! It might be one of the best scenes ever... or become too much to handle... Chero and I was thinking that Kaneda could be the one to "spill the beans" by asking Cassie if that "event" ever happened before. *cough* I think you're idea is better though, kali. ;D Get the men involved. ...and possibly a cute fight along with it.  |
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Post by kaliszewski on Sept 17, 2007 10:42:14 GMT -5
Just thinking: if I were Kaneda, I'd talk to Mace, not Cassie. What Cassie does in private is Cassie's business, not Mace's. If Mace is allowing Cassie's private behavior to affect him to the point that it negatively impacts his job performance, that's Mace's problem, not Cassie's.
Conversely, if I were Cassie, I'd say to Kaneda:
"My private life has no bearing on this mission. That is to say, until it affects my job performance, it's none of your business. I would hope you'd recognize that, sir."
And, looking at the lyrics to that song, I'd say something like this to Mace:
"For the sake of your front teeth, Mace, think carefully before you answer the following question: Are you calling me a who[r]e?"
Not in a funny way. Not in a crying way. As in a very dangerous "You don't own me, you assho[l]e. How dare you?" kind of way.
Because, once again: Cassie's private life, like the private life of any woman, is Cassie's private business.
... yep!
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Post by chero on Sept 17, 2007 12:56:28 GMT -5
I doubt that the real Kaneda would wait to find out if the job performance will be affected, especially this far into the mission. Also, in space and in an epic mission like this, private lives come second. The future of mankind is on the line. The crew already has taken more risks than they should have (i.e. boarding Icarus I). In a way, the RPG Kaneda has just realized this... it took a Capsie moment, Mace's damaging behavior, Trey's immaturity, and Harvey's lovesickness to bring it all to light. Love changes people, their choices, their actions... This is not to say that bursts of fangirlisms are completely eliminated from the RPG. Kaneda can't be everywhere at once... and he might make a mistake of his own. Also, I'm hoping that the RPG will continue after a successful delivery of the payload. The return trip will be fun. |
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Post by massiefan on Sept 17, 2007 19:25:39 GMT -5
Kali, I wasn't trying to imply that Cassie was a w[h]ore. Just heard the song and thought it was kinda ironic considering how Mace is feeling at the moment. I KNOW he doesn't own her, and that's not what I'm saying either. Just...a lot of Capsie and an angsty mechanic, see?   Are we on the same page? Chero, I would also love to have a successful payload delivery and a return trip...only once we're on the return trip, it effectively means this thing is half over...and even though it will have to end eventually, I'm not ready for that by a long shot...I'm having too much fun. Btw, if Mace and Capa do ever have THAT conversation, the fists may fly...Mace's specifically. Sorry, but I just can't see Mace NOT hitting him over a bigger deal than the Capa-spent-an-hour-sending-his-message thing over which Mace DID hit him. If that makes sense...which I doubt.  |
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Post by brittany on Sept 17, 2007 21:12:04 GMT -5
Chero, I would also love to have a successful payload delivery and a return trip...only once we're on the return trip, it effectively means this thing is half over...and even though it will have to end eventually, I'm not ready for that by a long shot...I'm having too much fun. I wouldn't say that the return trip means that the RPG is half over. I mean, we still have the "Earth life" to do!  |
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Post by kaliszewski on Sept 17, 2007 21:22:37 GMT -5
Kali, I wasn't trying to imply that Cassie was a w[h]ore. Just heard the song and thought it was kinda ironic considering how Mace is feeling at the moment. I KNOW he doesn't own her, and that's not what I'm saying either. Just...a lot of Capsie and an angsty mechanic, see? Are we on the same page? Hey, hey, hey-- yeah. We're okay...!  Just have to explain-- probably for the billionth time (God, I know: I sound like someone's grandpa saying, "When I was your age....")-- it's my job. Ninety-nine percent of my bizarro reactions tie back to my job. I've seen SO many cases (and this seems to be a California specialty, actually: each state seems to have its area of Dimwitted and/or Vicious Expertise when it comes to crime, and this is California's) where "grumbling guy" becomes "controlling guy" becomes "guy who hits/molests/burns/bites (yep!)/stabs/shoots/[add other violent behavior to taste] [insert female victim here]" becomes "guy looking at seven-to-life whose horror story is the subject of the appeal on my desk." Consequently, I'm on kind of a hair-trigger in the Potentially Abusive Behavior department. Weird but true. Sorry as heck for giving you a scare, massiefan. Really. (But, oh hell, I can't resist: On the same page...? We're not even on the SAME CONTINENT. [Oh, for... OUCH. Holy cats: OWW!! ;D]) Oh, yeah. It makes sense. Which is why Capa would be wise, maybe, to give Mace a wide berth-- which, however, quite blithely and semi-unintentionally, he's NOT going to do in the coming days... ... if THAT makes sense.... (Think our resident semi-vegetarian physicist may find himself developing a taste for knuckle sandwiches in the near future.... ) |
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Post by massiefan on Sept 18, 2007 0:06:00 GMT -5
Good to know we're okay, kali! ;D And yes, the knuckle sandwich comment is probably fairly accurate. Which won't be doing Mace any favours, but I think our mechanic has some pent-up rage to get rid of. I'm dying to do a bit in which Capa finishes saying something in your post, Kali, and my replying post starts with something like: Capa's head makes a resounding THUD as it hits the wall. *** I know that SOUNDS bad, but it would be funny. Kind of. And, just an observation here, but isn't it weird how the really smart guy can NEVER seem to pick up on other people's moods very well? Cassie excepted in this case, I guess, but I find it interesting that super-genius-mr-crazypants is gonna waltz right up to Mace and annoy him even MORE (if that's possible) to the extent where the mechanic punches his lights out. Y'know, in that scene, just before Mace hits Capa (in theory, of course ) I'd love to use this sentence. Mace felt the fabric of his self restraint starting to tear. I love that analogy. I read it in someone's fanfic once and I've adored it ever since. ...Well, I need to get back to my schoolwork, not to mention the fact that I'm betting more than a little carried away here... ;D |
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Post by kaliszewski on Sept 18, 2007 1:57:02 GMT -5
Good to know we're okay, kali! ;D And yes, the knuckle sandwich comment is probably fairly accurate. Which won't be doing Mace any favours, but I think our mechanic has some pent-up rage to get rid of. I'm dying to do a bit in which Capa finishes saying something in your post, Kali, and my replying post starts with something like: Capa's head makes a resounding THUD as it hits the wall. *** I know that SOUNDS bad, but it would be funny. Kind of. And, just an observation here, but isn't it weird how the really smart guy can NEVER seem to pick up on other people's moods very well? Cassie excepted in this case, I guess, but I find it interesting that super-genius-mr-crazypants is gonna waltz right up to Mace and annoy him even MORE (if that's possible) to the extent where the mechanic punches his lights out. Y'know, in that scene, just before Mace hits Capa (in theory, of course ) I'd love to use this sentence. Mace felt the fabric of his self restraint starting to tear. I love that analogy. I read it in someone's fanfic once and I've adored it ever since. ...Well, I need to get back to my schoolwork, not to mention the fact that I'm betting more than a little carried away here... ;D Well, Capa's foray into the realm of Mace's fists isn't going to be quite that unintentional.... See, he has a little metalworking task to complete, and I'm thinking (never a good idea-- HA!) that the metalshop tools and programs are on MACE'S end of the ship. That is to say, near the engine room. So, while Capa would be quite content to remain at HIS end of the ship (that is to say, the bomb), he'll find himself having to make an ill-advised trip into hostile territory-- with only his one-hundred-percent genius (that is to say one-hundred-percent-semi-absentminded) wits to protect him.... Which sort of ties into the fact that I've been giving some thought to Capa's relationship with his sister. I really like Paloma Baeza, and I thought it would be fun when-- or if ( -- uh, yeah, maybe...  -- maybe)-- Capa makes it out of the dead zone to have him hear from her in messages from Earth. Thought that when they were growing up, she might have kept something of an eye on him-- her little head-in-the-clouds brother. (For instance, young Robert wanders homeward after school with blood on his shirt and a Kleenex stuffed in his punched nose, which in turn is buried in a book./"Who did that to you, Robert--?" she asks./"Huh--? Oh. Jeff."/And off she goes to give Jeff a teensy taste of sisterly wrath....) So it might not exactly come down to Everthing I Know About Fighting Dirty I Learned From My Big Sister (and I doubt that Capa would want Mace to know that at any rate-- even though it might make for an all-too-rare opportunity to see Mace doubled over laughing), but I think she would have had a good, practical influence on him. (And-- okay, yeah, this is wandering afield-- I've been thinking of her as "Rachel." When they auctioned off her vid-viewer on eBay, I think her I.D. card said her name was I-something-- "Iris" or "Irene," maybe. But she strikes me as a "Rachel," so unless anyone wants to protest, I'm sticking with it. Thank you. ) Re: the tearing fabric of Mace's self-restraint and its relationship to Capa's possible noggin-bounce: In a song, Debbie Harry once said "Darkness falls like a leather jacket/And melts into the sidewalk like a sleeping drunk." My twisted noggin eventually bent the lyric into "Darkness fell, hit its head, and lay unconscious until exasperated dawn dragged it away." Sad, really.... Have you ever heard the "he said"/"she said" versions of the song "Anyway," by Dynamite Hack? The band blasts through an up-front-hurt-and-angry punk version of the tune (a standard-issue "I-don't-care-but-dammit-I-DO" breakup song), and then (buried waaaay back in the CD's hidden tracks) the group's lead singer recruits his sister to sing an acoustic version of the song. I think both versions are great; in an interview, the lead singer wryly admitted that it was his sister who did all the singing in choirs and whatnot when they were growing up-- and that she's always given him hell for his cruddy singing! Okaaay-- off-topic much, 'ski...? Speaking of "carried away"...! |
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Post by kaliszewski on Sept 18, 2007 7:31:31 GMT -5
I doubt that the real Kaneda would wait to find out if the job performance will be affected, especially this far into the mission. Also, in space and in an epic mission like this, private lives come second. The future of mankind is on the line. The crew already has taken more risks than they should have (i.e. boarding Icarus I). In a way, the RPG Kaneda has just realized this... it took a Capsie moment, Mace's damaging behavior, Trey's immaturity, and Harvey's lovesickness to bring it all to light. Love changes people, their choices, their actions... This is not to say that bursts of fangirlisms are completely eliminated from the RPG. Kaneda can't be everywhere at once... and he might make a mistake of his own. Also, I'm hoping that the RPG will continue after a successful delivery of the payload. The return trip will be fun. Actually, though-- too: Kaneda has to keep in mind that it's the people with no outside interests who can cause the greatest and most unexpected damage within a team setting. The guy who's NOT trying to get laid, who has NO hobbies or interests, who has to be ORDERED to take a break: he's the one to worry about. Why? Because he's going to be the one to burn out and SNAP. So, yes: they need to be focused on the mission. And, yes: private lives come second. But R&R is essential to human health. It's not an indulgence. It's as important as sleep: the mind and body need to take a break now and then. That's what worried me about Cillian Murphy's take on Capa: that he thought Capa would be COMPLETELY focused on the mission ALL THE TIME. Sorry, Cillian: it doesn't work that way. I don't care how smart you are or how important your mission is: you NEED down-time. If nothing else, the mission psychologists would have ASSIGNED Capa a recreation schedule. He might have gone grumbling off to read, or to draw, or to lift weights while listening to hard rock, but such activities would be essential to his continued mental and physical health. So: kicking things and hitting things: maybe not so good for rec purposes. But the human organism requires off-task time for its continued well-being. Especially if we're talking a mission as long-term as this one. Thazzall! (And sorry for co-opting the Massie thread momentarily, massiefan!  : yeah, I know...!) |
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Post by brittany on Sept 18, 2007 9:10:50 GMT -5
(And-- okay, yeah, this is wandering afield-- I've been thinking of her as "Rachel." When they auctioned off her vid-viewer on eBay, I think her I.D. card said her name was I-something-- "Iris" or "Irene," maybe. But she strikes me as a "Rachel," so unless anyone wants to protest, I'm sticking with it. Thank you. ) Her full name is Rosa Fischer. |
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Post by chero on Sept 18, 2007 10:23:45 GMT -5
Capa's downtime should be playing chess, not having sex. This goes for the entire crew... until the mission is completed.
I hope that no one thinks that I'm slapping down Capsie because I'm not. Mace will be dealt with as well. He doesn't have to provoke a fight with Capa to get reprimanded by the Captain at this point.
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Post by kaliszewski on Sept 18, 2007 16:15:21 GMT -5
(And-- okay, yeah, this is wandering afield-- I've been thinking of her as "Rachel." When they auctioned off her vid-viewer on eBay, I think her I.D. card said her name was I-something-- "Iris" or "Irene," maybe. But she strikes me as a "Rachel," so unless anyone wants to protest, I'm sticking with it. Thank you. ) Her full name is Rosa Fischer. That's right. Thank you. (Even though it finds us heading into that strange twilit area where one character has nearly the name of the actress who's playing ANOTHER character. Think it's in "I Capture the Castle" where Rose Byrne plays a character called "Rose," and Rose's sister's name is "Cassie." Let the eye-crossing begin, "Sunshine" fans...!) But that's okay: "Rosa" it is! Fair enough! But here's the compromise: the ship has to have a gym. Chess and a gym. At least then Capa can get in some cardio and put in a bit of chestwork to match the armwork he's obviously been doing-- once his chest won't pull apart, that is.... (By the way-- and it's not just Capa asking (yeah, sure) -- how far are they from completing the mission? Do we have a timeline?) |
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