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Post by moonshiner on Aug 8, 2007 14:57:43 GMT -5
Hi guys!
One of the scenes that I can't quite explain in a scientific or even philosophical sense is where Capa ignites his bomb and the sun crashes through the payloads' wall.
He should be evaporated instantly, yet he remains unharmed for a couple of seconds (if slightly warm and blinded). What is actually happening to him? Has time stopped? Or is it some sort of momentarily protective effect of the bomb?
I admit it seems quite stupid to discuss, since he has to die somehow. Yet Capa is a character that most identify to and what do these final moments actually mean?
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Post by nimue on Aug 8, 2007 15:15:53 GMT -5
I think maybe the bomb caused it but I'm not sure either.
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Post by chero on Aug 8, 2007 15:56:04 GMT -5
In my opinion, the pause has nothing to do with the bomb. It deals with Capa's mind. He is experiencing a moment (which to us lasted only a few seconds) in which he sees the merging of science and religion. It's a place that's not easily explainable, but it's really amazing to think about. He saw the success of something that was theoretical. Imagine creating something as complicated as a stellar bomb... and then seeing it detonate in front of your eyes. When I think about this scene, I imagine a person's thoughts on his deathbed. All of the good times, all of the events that led up to your last breath. Like your life on fast forward where everything that mattered most pops out like a sore thumb. Beautiful.
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Post by colin on Aug 8, 2007 23:41:40 GMT -5
I'm with you on this one moonshiner, this scene made me do some thinking and is still unclear. Unlike most slow-motion stuff Capa moves in full speed as things around himself move slowly, so it leads me to go the way of chero, and think of it is something in his own mind. But that said, there is another cool option which I wanted it to be, and that is that having all this mass around or being that close to the mass that is the sun has had an effect on time, and that is how we get this slow motion moment. The problem with that however is that we'd have to all of a sudden being viewing this sun moment at earth time, and not from the point of view of Capa which I assume it is, so final answer is chero's, it's in his mind  . Another problem of course is that the sun is a very small star, and might not have that much effect on time, but hey it's a movie and sometimes they do things like this. |
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Post by Starry_MelC on Aug 9, 2007 2:15:23 GMT -5
that's a question every friend of mine ask me after they watch the movie. But to me, chero couldnt explain it any better.  |
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Post by nimue on Aug 9, 2007 3:07:28 GMT -5
Chero... you nailed it.
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Post by chero on Aug 9, 2007 8:17:52 GMT -5
Thanks, guys. I'm sure there's not one right answer to this though. I could swear I've seen slow motion scenes before in movies that depict moments only people could imagine happening. |
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Post by Starshine on Aug 18, 2007 8:49:42 GMT -5
I think the bomb detonates really after Capas death. The light spots behind capa are local atomic nucleus-chain-reactions. It needs time until the whole block "work" and detonate. But its not a nuclear bomb, its a dark matter bomb so i cant say it sure.
It must be in Capas mind, the effect of time is completely unimportant, if you explain it with that, its wrong. If somebody is near a big mass, he dont notice anything of that kind of time-effect.
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Post by sunshinedna on Aug 18, 2007 11:14:51 GMT -5
I agree with Chero.
When you watch it next time you'll notice that there's a shot of Capa being completely engulfed by the Sun and then it cuts back to him standing there with the Sun 'paused' in front of him. I think the shot of him being toasted it what happens and everything after that is in his mind... in that billionth of a second before he dies.
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Post by Starshine on Aug 18, 2007 12:27:18 GMT -5
Yeah that is what i said, its in his mind.
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Post by neiru2012 on Aug 18, 2007 12:27:39 GMT -5
I guess I'm a little confused what people mean by it happening "in his mind." I don't think he's imagining or hallucinating it. Yes, it happens really fast, one billionth of a second... but for him, time slows down. Maybe it has to do with the sun's spacetime distortion, but I think it's mostly to do with personal temporal relativity. There's an old quote by Albert Einstein: "Put your hand on a stove for a minute and it seems like an hour. Sit with that special girl for an hour and it seems like a minute. That's relativity." With something as monumental as meeting the sun and the merging of science and religion, surely even a billionth of a second can seem like several seconds.
And if you want to get more metaphysical than that, think of how much this event means to him. Maybe the force of his consciousness alone is enough to warp time and let him experience its full impact. Think of how much it means to the sun itself. Maybe it was greatful, or took pity on him, and let him experience this moment on his own terms. Too weird?
Even though time seemed to freeze, Capa was still moving at regular speed. In this sense I do think it's a replay of his emotional reaction to the event. Is that what's meant by it being in his mind? Even so, I wouldn't say it didn't happen in that billionth of a second. It was just shot in a way that would relate what he felt in that billionth of a second in terms that we could understand.
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Post by aroreiel on Aug 18, 2007 13:03:27 GMT -5
Yeah, I always thought that moment was in a slow motion. But I thought it could've been one of either things: Capa's mind or the bomb. In Capa's mind that nano second before he died was slowed down. Being engulfed by the source of life and being completely at overwhelmed and at peace with it (a closure from the nightmare's he had about falling into it) ...or time itself was distorted (like had been explained earlier in the film), and in some way, Capa was able to have that final moment face to face with this source, this power and he had that same closure here.
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Post by generichiphop on Aug 19, 2007 16:29:17 GMT -5
Yes I don't think it was literal. I think the people here who said he dies in a billionth of a secone were correct. WE, as VIEWERS, get to see it take 10 seconds. The SUN isn't distorting time, Danny Boyle is so that we can get the full effect of how damn good it feels for Capa to go back "home." By home I mean, back to God, back to where we came from: the sun. Boyle just made the scene longer because... imagine if he made the scene actually a billionth of a second long. We would never understand that Capa has accepted going back to God like Kaneda and Searle did.
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Post by nimue on Aug 20, 2007 5:29:04 GMT -5
... which may be weird because Capa is an Atheist.
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Post by cococi on Sept 1, 2007 16:10:05 GMT -5
I say that scene is left to us to chose we cannot know for shure what it means "read the script if u wana know" even so it can signify everithing and nothing thats the beauty of it ur absorebed by the moment asking ur self living the moment beeing there and seeing what might be there ... i say some of u guys are wrong if black holes distortionate time how do u know what lies in the center of the earth.. I see Capa being left in the center of the earth unharmed living there as a God
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. Another problem of course is that the sun is a very small star, and might not have that much effect on time, but hey it's a movie and sometimes they do things like this.
