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Post by neiru2012 on Aug 15, 2007 18:44:04 GMT -5
A lot of times when I talk to people who've seen Sunshine, they say they thought the movie was good, but they feel that the last third ruins it. This is very odd to me, because the last third is my absolute favorite part of the movie. I just shrug and grumble "Well sorry they had to ruin your boring little space movie..." But this isn't the first time I've run into this issue. I've heard the same said about Signs. Basically, when I think a movie is starting to get fun/exciting, another group of people thinks the movie is ruined/cheap. So I'm just trying to understand what is the difference between these two groups of people. Is it because I watch movies primarily for entertainment? (Is it because I typically equate entertainment with violence?  ) What is there not to like about the last third of Sunshine?  |
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Post by nimue on Aug 15, 2007 22:54:14 GMT -5
Slasher films has been regarded by many as just a pointless excuse for a gore-fest. This so-called critics think of themselves as someone intellectually above slasher films and when they saw how the third act turned out, their dim minds immediately think, "slasher film" formula... failing to see the philosophical symbolism and interpretation behind it as we do.
Me? I enjoy slasher films but I don't think Sunshine's third act has the "slasher formula" at all.
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Post by Starry_MelC on Aug 15, 2007 23:30:34 GMT -5
Actually all of my friends dislike the "first act" more - as in the first 40 mins of the film before the alarm went off... Some even fell asleep...  |
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Post by neiru2012 on Aug 16, 2007 1:07:03 GMT -5
Heh, I didn't think the first two acts were boring (largely due to my love for space/stars, Cillian, and Kaneda getting fried), but to me the movie really begins - both on a philosophical and excitement level - when Capa meets Pinbacker. When I go to see a movie, I don't intend to think about it too deeply or get some kind of message out of it. I just go to be entertained. It is only if I am sufficiently entertained, if I care about the characters, what happens to them, if the story is interesting enough and the visuals incredible enough to get my attention, do I dwell on a movie after it's over and analyze things. Exciting things happening make me care/worry about the characters that much more, and heightens my emotional involvement in the movie... and then I backtrack and start caring about the rest of the movie, too. So I guess when the other type of mind shuts down, mine turns on?
Sunshine is definitely no plain "slasher movie," though. I mean, I'll watch Friday the 13th and Scream and it'll be fun, but I don't obsess and analyze it for weeks. Sunshine has a ton of substance that gives definite purpose to the violent aspects of it. It's hard for me to understand how anyone would see that violence as an "excuse" for anything. *sigh*
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Post by nimue on Aug 16, 2007 1:12:09 GMT -5
Mel, some of mine did too. I think of it as... those who watched the movie to be entertained, hated the first half. Those who watched the movie and consider themselves high and mighty pseudo-intellectuals, hated the second half. Those who came for both... enjoyed it entirely.  Neiru, it's hard for anyone to imagine, really. But violence is quite unavoidable, nonetheless.
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Post by Starshine on Aug 17, 2007 17:22:27 GMT -5
When I watched Sunshine in theatre it was hard to understand the end, I had to think about it first. But some people didnt do that, so its clear why they dont like the end because they dont know whats behind it. Its not empty horror.
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Post by aroreiel on Aug 17, 2007 19:22:44 GMT -5
Me and my brother went to see it twice and loved the whole film equally. There were similar complaints with the second part of 28 Days Later. (Loved all of it). I'm thinking maybe Boyle/Garland do an almost deliberate distinction between the two halves, to show the contrast in changing human behaviour? I don't know. I understood why people would feel Sunshine's final act was a little "slasher" in some way, but I understood why it was there. The whole film was entertaining, exciting and thought provoking. I don't think the second half was any less intelligent. I don't know how much I can say without it giving things away. Maybe I should put it in a spoiler. I thought Pinbacker was there to show a representation of complete madness. In the end it was almost a Capa vs Pinbacker (Science vs Religion) battle. Pinbacker being what any of them, particulaly Searle could have been driven to. Kind of in contrast to the first half, where the mission was already beginning to take its toll on them all. I think maybe I'm going off in the wrong direction.  |
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Post by nimue on Aug 18, 2007 1:05:47 GMT -5
Not at all. I thought the same.
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Post by volg on Aug 26, 2007 18:01:35 GMT -5
Critics don't know a thing..
Third act without Pinbacker would have made Sunshine's ending just the same as The Core, Mission to Mars, and any other sci-fi movie where some characters even die with no reason and there are no more additions to the plot..
Even tho.. first and second act were soo damn perfect that I really doubt this movie would have become just another sci-fi movie..
Sunshine really raised the bar ^^
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Post by neiru2012 on Aug 26, 2007 22:57:12 GMT -5
Third act without Pinbacker would have made Sunshine's ending just the same as The Core, Mission to Mars, and any other sci-fi movie where some characters even die with no reason and there are no more additions to the plot.. Very good point! Another review I read off Amazon said about the ending: "Predictably, good wins out over evil, the bomb is indeed detonated, and the final scene of the film takes place on earth, with the happy sight of sunrays peering through the wearied, cloud-enveloped sky, bathing children in the long awaited solar glow as they play in the snow. (Yes, this really is the ending of the movie. Who wrote this thing, anyway?)" I assume they think showing children playing in the snows of solar winter until the sun starts to shine normal makes for an anticlimactic ending? How else could the movie possibly have ended?? I really love that it ended this way. That despite all the terror and drama of the heroes that reignited the sun, back on Earth all it means is the sun is shining again. Kind of like we could marvel at a supernova that might one day light up the night sky, but for somebody light years away, their entire world is blown to pieces. Life goes on, life is recycled, and it's beautiful. |
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Post by cococi on Sept 1, 2007 15:55:28 GMT -5
hole movies is great i was hoping for a pischo disease problem alien crazy computer mad crew member or diareea tu strike to make it harder the parts i hate tho are the ones where the guys are stabed like idiots and dont attack the walking dead freak
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