What If......

[brittany]

starrymelc said:

admin said:

What if Rose and Michelle swapped roles?

Hm... for starters, you will see Mace leaving his seat more often to find Cassie... and Corazon might be picking a book like Cassie... hahaha...

Naughty, naughty!

[chero]

Also, there won't be a Observation Room scene with Hiro and Michelle. However, we will be able to see Corazon crying for Kaneda and Kaneda chasing Corazon (as opposed to the other way around). Those are the only positive things I can think of right now.

[Starry_MelC]

admin said:

Also, there won't be a Observation Room scene with Hiro and Michelle. However, we will be able to see Corazon crying for Kaneda and Kaneda chasing Corazon (as opposed to the other way around). Those are the only positive things I can think of right now.

Hm... maybe Kaneda ought to take Capa's place then... haha! Corazon will help him with the spacesuit... Corazon will be in his bedroom (*ahem*)... Corazon will be with him in the end........... (Sorry, MelC has gone off daydreaming)

[kaliszewski]

bunkergate7 said:

massiefan said:

IF THEY HAD ALL JUST LISTENED TO MACE, NOBODY WOULD HAVE DIED.

I have to agree with that assessment. He had an astronaut's mentality of "mission before everything", and he understood the meaning of sacrifice and expendability for the greater good.

Except for that little eyebrow-raiser: "I volunteer Capa." (Oh, to have been alone with the script and a purple pencil for just fifteen minutes...! )


Sad, telling, or disturbing, then, that Danny Boyle-- and I can't remember where I saw and/or heard this-- identifies Mace as his least favorite character, essentially the one for whom he has no sympathy whatsoever. (I wish I could remember where I picked this up. The wording was quite harsh: I actually felt shocked.)

[chero]

I kindda figured that since Danny is a "dramatic storyteller." Mace doesn't cry or feel fear, which is something I think Danny enjoys elaborating on the big screen.

[nimue]

I think maybe Danny said that because Mace seemed to be the most rational amongst all of them. The least-flawed so to say and in a writer's or director's POV, that could be less interesting. I think he's great though.

[bunkergate7]

kaliszewski said:

Except for that little eyebrow-raiser: "I volunteer Capa." (Oh, to have been alone with the script and a purple pencil for just fifteen minutes...! )

****SPOILERS BELOW*****

I thought the "I volunteer" part was great. It demonstrated that Mace had a vindictive streak and blamed Capa for tilting the vote. Then he "flipped" that attitude and put Capa in the spacesuit on the Icarus I so Capa could ultimately fulfill the mission. Mace was definitely not one-dimensional.

When I said Mace had an astronaut's mentality, I meant that of all the Icarus II crew, he seemed to me the most "mission-oriented". He was not, however, as level-headed or detached as 2001's Frank Poole or David Bowman.

I saw the movie again last night and am more impressed with Mace as a character after my second viewing. I especially like the scene with the mainframe coolant. What he did to "remedy the situation" took a lot of willpower and toughness.

[kaliszewski]

I'm sorry: the mainframe coolant plot device made me want to hit things. I couldn't get my head around the idea that not only will computer mainframes be that clumsy, huge, and fatally unrepairable (let alone that easily sabotage-able) fifty years from now (just as spacesuits will be three or four times heavier and bulkier, when the tech is already well on its way toward "thinner" and "more wieldy"), but they'll have to live in large, sloshy vats of deathly cold liquid, too. Suspension-of-disbelief-wise, I just couldn't do it. I have to step away from the thread or I'll go into hyper-critic mode....

I'm serious. Sorry, guys.

[bunkergate7]

kaliszewski said:

I'm sorry: the mainframe coolant plot device made me want to hit things. I couldn't get my head around the idea that not only will computer mainframes be that clumsy, huge, and fatally unrepairable (let alone that easily sabotage-able) fifty years from now....

I'm serious. Sorry, guys.

Understood. Inexplicable artificial gravity and whacky "relativity-and-causality-snubbing" FTL propulsion systems, for me, are usually the big killers of sci-fi credibility. But I can let that go if other plot elements are strong.

I would think, theoretically, some sort of "multinodal" shipboard network with SERIOUS mirroring and failover/redundancy would be more apropos on a spaceship of that "tech level". In my mind's eye, any "node" would be capable of running all shipboard functions should other parts of the ship or other nodes get damaged. I could even see an onboard "hot site" or auxiliary network -- dormant and completely isolated from the primary net -- that could pick up the function of computing should all else fail. That makes more sense to me.

IMO, I thought the scene was an excellent vignette to show that Mace would readily put himself in mortal danger to complete the mission. No more, no less.

But, no, I completely understand what you mean about the tech level being wrong with the ICARUS mainframe. I think, in this case, the writer and director were paying homage to 2001 (HAL) and Alien (Mother)...especially invoking the "HAL sings Daisy" scene in 2001. Perhaps, in some weird way, they were even alluding to "Captain Powell" in Dark Star -- dead and frozen solid but still dispensing advice.

[IIC]

But it's a damn shame what happen to HAL.
Anyone here actually read 2001?? Very interesting read. Read it in three days.

[Starry_MelC]

chero's post in " will never say..." got me thinking...

What if... Capa told everyone about the fifth crew member BEFORE going to the observation room???
What if... Capa was NOT the one who knew about the Pinbacker first?

I think if Mace find Pinbacker first, he wouldnt wait til Pinbacker said anything, he'd start killing him already.

[nimue]

But then Cassie would be there to say, "Mace. no! He's just misunderstood! He's still a human being! have mercy!"

And Mace would look at Cassie the way he looked at her during the To-Kill-Trey-Or-Not-To-Kill-Trey scene and say, "I'm sorry Cass... it's just that..."

Boom! A knife is already jutting out from Mace's back.

[Starry_MelC]

nimue said:

But then Cassie would be there to say, "Mace. no! He's just misunderstood! He's still a human being! have mercy!"

And Mace would look at Cassie the way he looked at her during the To-Kill-Trey-Or-Not-To-Kill-Trey scene and say, "I'm sorry Cass... it's just that..."

Boom! A knife is already jutting out from Mace's back.

LOL... it's like a mixture of the voting scene AND corazon's end scene! except Mace will be holding a knife not a plant...

[massiefan]

Yeah, and then when he dies, Cassie's hand flies to her mouth in this really dramatic way and she starts to cry, and then she drops down beside the mechanic and holds him in her arms and realizes that she DID actually love him all along and he is not only HOTT, but also brave, hott, selfless, reliable, hott, protective, intelligent, hott, and would've made a wonderful father. And he was hott (two t's makes it hotter).

*sighs in wistful daydream of undeniable Massieness*

[nimue]

Lol, massiefan! I can totally picture that in my mind... very similar to Baz Luhrman's Romeo + Juliet death scene. After which Cassie would scream "NOOOO!" and then stabs herself in the stomach to die with her great love.