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Post by neiru2012 on Oct 4, 2007 16:54:49 GMT -5
I find it really hard to believe there's no thread about this yet. Am I missing it somewhere? Has everyone already seen these?? Anyway, watching these two really made my day! The Icarus II-Icarus I docking is straight from the script so that was fun to watch. Mace was funny, heh. And the alternate ending... wow, I'm almost not sure which version I like better. Pinbacker has so few lines in the film that anything he says is pleasantly revealing about his character. I think it is also nice to include Capa's "I don't believe in God" and then have Pinbacker foreshadow that he will find it in the sunshine - and some interpertations of the movie believe he does (*whistles innocently* ). I think I'd like the alternate ending even better if it cut off right when Pinbacker looks back and sees the crack open. Don't think it was necessary to show him melt away any further.
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Post by chero on Oct 4, 2007 16:58:02 GMT -5
I find it extremely fascinating that Pinbacker was an atheist.
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Post by brittany on Oct 4, 2007 18:23:46 GMT -5
I find it really hard to believe there's no thread about this yet. Am I missing it somewhere? Has everyone already seen these?? Anyway, watching these two really made my day! I'm glad!
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Post by kaliszewski on Oct 4, 2007 21:53:12 GMT -5
Here's where I'll get pelted with rocks and garbage: I think I enjoy the deleted scenes far more than the movie itself. I mean, I'll put 'em on, I'll hum along with the music, I'll get a nice little buzz from 'em. Like having a visit with the crew. Even though Danny Boyle insists in the commentary that their inclusion would've bumped the film's running length into the stratosphere, I disagree. With possibly eleven extra minutes of footage, the show would weigh in at approximately 119 minutes. With bubblegum epics like "Pirates of the Caribbean" running near the three-hour mark, that hardly would have been excessive. Would have made for a more interesting debate regarding the rendezvous with Icarus I, too: either Cassie or Mace (my vote would have been for Cassie) could have pointed out that these ships simply aren't meant to dock with one another. Bringing them together involves extremely hazardous maneuvering. The docking scene itself is a lovely strength moment for Cassie. For viewers who might've been prone to identify her as nothing but a teary-eyed voice of compassion, here's where they'd come away saying, "Yeah: now I understand why they picked her to pilot this thing!" (Michelle Yeoh's nervous "back-seat driving" in the sequence is pretty priceless, too! ;D) And Mark Strong deserved a little more screen time after going through all that makeup hell.... His line to Capa-- "She fought so hard."-- as Cassie lies dead on the floor of the payload is infinitely more poignant than Cassie's line "Finish it." in the film's final version. For just a second, we get to see Capa beaten down, bleeding, and weak-- very human, that is-- and-- damn!-- if Cassie's not watching him with those unseeing dead eyes. WOW. A lovely, lyrically tragic moment for all three characters. In contrast, in the released version of the film, "Finish it" really doesn't mean a thing. Capa doesn't need to be told-- not by Cassie, not by anyone-- to "finish it." "Finishing it" is ALL he's about at that point. (Hell, he just purged the ship of its remaining atmosphere without asking first whether anyone else-- Cassie included-- was still alive!) So I think they were going for pacing by dropping the deleted scenes: a quicker ratcheting-up of the tension, as it were. But I'm a sucker for character moments. (Pinbacker's extra lines, for instance, for those who came away from the film seeing him simply as "random superhuman slasher guy," might have worked to make him seem less of a standard-issue monster and more of a person.) They left out some lovely stuff....
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Post by cococi on Oct 19, 2007 15:09:44 GMT -5
pinbaker was an atheist and at the end he found God... somwere outhere.. slightly before the horylbly painfull burns ....
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Starshine
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Post by Starshine on Nov 9, 2007 11:19:17 GMT -5
Yeah, the deleted scenes are great, I watched them a lot of times. My favorite is "Rough docking procedure": Nice dialogues and very beautiful pictures of the Icarus-meeting. Especially I like the shoot of the airlock door, accompanied by the fantastic music and Icarus voice, that is real ScFi.
The German DVD-cover says: "Including a sensational alternative end". But the alternative end is almost the same like that one in the movie...The end in the movie is better in my opinion, because the pictures express more. The viewer thinks: Oh, snow in Australia? Earth must be really frozen." But the most important reason is why I prefer this ending is that the movie starts and ends with the same shoot of the sun.
I understand Danny Boyles decision to delete these scenes, though I would like to see a few of them in the movie. With them the movie would be longer, but the thrill/speed level would be even lower. So it is a short but intensive experience, I like that.
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Post by brittany on Dec 21, 2007 10:15:47 GMT -5
Did anyone watch the new one of Michelle Yeoh -- I mean, Corazon yet? Download it at the fansite or watch it on YouTube! I've realized that the description for it is kindda wrong since it is NOT a typical day in the Oxygen Garden. There's no Kaneda!! Okay, I'm done with the fangirlling... ...carry on.
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Post by Starshine on Dec 22, 2007 4:26:20 GMT -5
Beautiful shots of the garden + beautiful music But they are not necessary in the movie. Although it is a very nice scene!
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Post by Starry_MelC on Dec 23, 2007 20:51:33 GMT -5
I really love the deleted scenes... from the chess part right til showing Harvey extremely p---ed off... I think that would help alot of the audience (who have not seen the character backstory ever) to understand the characters alot more... Deep inside, I still feel sorry for Harvey when everyone thinks he freaked out in Icarus I because he's somewhat of a sissy or weak or whatever. If they included the deleted scenes, more people will understand as to WHY he freak out. And besides, I'd love to watch Corazon "watering"... LOL... and also, Trey being bugs bunny...
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Post by massiefan on Dec 28, 2007 2:04:51 GMT -5
...I love the deleted scenes that belonged at the very beginning of the movie. My favourite part is where Mace and Cassie are in the Flight Deck and Mace accidentally trips a switch with his foot and Cassie has to cancel the command it issues, and then prods Mace's foot off the console. It's a very cute little domesticised (sp?) moment - you get the impression that it happens a fair bit and she's used to it. I also love the fact that Mace is asleep during that scene - when they have the close-up of his face and you can see Cass in the background, I was thinking, "Oh boy, Cassie, if only you knew what was going through his head right now..." It's a nice little touch for those who have read the character backstories.
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Post by kaliszewski on Dec 28, 2007 2:29:55 GMT -5
Yeah-- sure. She probably would have knocked him clear out of his chair--! ;D
I, on the other hand, steering clear of projection and preferring not to read the character backstories into either the deleted scenes or the movie as a whole (under the belief that we weren't supposed to have that "information"-- any of it-- for any of the characters-- as it had no direct bearing on the plot or the screenplay-- and proceeding from the idea that if a writer can't work something into a script, that thing doesn't exist), really, really love the scene where Mace reminds Cassie one too many times to watch her driving, and Cassie snaps: "I heard you the FIRST TIME, Mace--!" I laughed out loud at that. Too bad for Rose Byrne, though: another "backbone" moment down the drain....
What really bothered me about the "foot-nudge" scene was the fact that Cassie could cancel the coolant redirection simply by saying "Fine." She didn't have to use a triggering term. That is, any time you've got a computer system that responds to verbal commands, you should have to preface or follow each command with a key word. Here, the obvious word would be "Icarus": "Fine, Icarus" or "Icarus, cancel redirect." Otherwise, what's to keep the system from acting on words and phrases that aren't intended to be commands...?
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Post by massiefan on Dec 28, 2007 2:40:56 GMT -5
Yeah, I laughed at that too. And Mace gets this look on his face like "What the hell did I do?" before he leaves the Flight Deck. *exasperated sigh*...Cassie figuratively kicks him in the nuts so many times during the movie...
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Post by IIC on Dec 28, 2007 12:56:10 GMT -5
I agree that adding the scenes wouldn't have done any harm to the film's length. Well, except for the oxygen garden scene. While a nicely shot scene, wasn't really needed to move the story along. Don't know why he didn't just stick the chess playing scene in the film, a bit short and well played. I never thought of a trigger word for Icarus's computer system for before. One can imagine if there weren't any triggering words for commands....
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Post by chero on Dec 28, 2007 23:31:12 GMT -5
What really bothered me about the "foot-nudge" scene was the fact that Cassie could cancel the coolant redirection simply by saying "Fine." She didn't have to use a triggering term. That is, any time you've got a computer system that responds to verbal commands, you should have to preface or follow each command with a key word. Here, the obvious word would be " Icarus": "Fine, Icarus" or " Icarus, cancel redirect." Otherwise, what's to keep the system from acting on words and phrases that aren't intended to be commands...? Yeah, that's a scary thought. This is a clear example of Boyle's sacrifice of science/realism for the benefit of entertainment. In this case, he wanted to create a scene for humor purposes. Hey, it got a chuckle out of me. ;D
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Post by the5700 on Dec 31, 2007 3:56:47 GMT -5
Hi all! I have only seen 3 deleted scenes which I found on Youtube but can you please direct me to the rest of them?
Thanks!
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