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Post by chero on Aug 21, 2007 10:17:22 GMT -5
I summarized how each character dies in parenthesis, but even though some are the same, it's the circumstances that are different. Keep that in mind when you are choosing your answer.
Also, the question can be interpreted in two ways: (1) pain level and (2) cinematic display. It's your choice which one you think is more important to you. Feel free to explain your choice, too!
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Post by brittany on Aug 21, 2007 10:33:16 GMT -5
I'm scared to hold my breath under pressure. It has to be Harvey for me.
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Post by Starry_MelC on Aug 21, 2007 11:05:34 GMT -5
For me, it's Corazon's. (no, I'm NOT biased) You see, the way I see it is that everyone gets to sort of prepare for their death or at least know. Kaneda, Searle and Capa are just waiting for it (or dare we say, anticipated it). Mace actually embraces it. Cassie sort-of knows (I think) that she cant run away from Pinbacker, it's in her eyes all throughout the chasing scene. Harvey knows as well, the second he miss the door, he knew. Heck, I wont be surprise if he knew before that. I think he knows already that he's not gonna make it when he's wrapping his body. He's basically just doing it because he's so desperate to get back to Earth. Trey, if assuming he killed himself, sort-of embraces it as well. If assuming he was killed by Pinbacker, I'm sure there's some struggle there, so he expects that as well.
But poor poor Corazon has no idea whatsoever! What's worse, she was actually in one of the most hopeful/happiest moments for her in the entire journey and then BOOM! She gasps as she felt it. She can hardly even see her killer! Full of hope and WHAM! Helplessly killed. Not to mention later her body was WHAM against the Airlock after Capa release the handle. Aint a pretty death and certainly aint a painless death!
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Post by neiru2012 on Aug 21, 2007 14:42:30 GMT -5
Well, I voted Trey, but I honestly have no idea who I think the worst death is. All I know is "NOT Capa," because he had the coolest death I have ever seen or could imagine.
Kaneda: Well, he likes the sun a lot. Dying in full face of the sun at peace with the knowledge that your sacrifice will aid the mission is a good way to go.
Searle: Again, likes the sun. He's always dreamed of seeing it full force. I think he was jealous of Kaneda... I think he wanted to be left on Icarus I. He died happy.
Harvey: Going for a while with fully exhaled breath isn't fun, I can sympathize with that. But at least he got to see open space with his own naked eyes. I think that's pretty cool. And speaking of 'cool,' he froze pretty quickly so it couldn't have been all that painful.
Corazon: Getting stabbed just as you found renewed hope for life? Being unable to warn anyone else of the danger? That's rough. Definitely think she has one of the worst deaths.
Mace: Very annoying way to die, definitely. And not just the silliness of getting your foot stuck, but the prickly pain of cold water. He was getting pretty numb, though, so I guess it wasn't that bad. He knew his death served a purpose.
Cassie: She was stabbed? I never was quite sure what Pinbacker did to her. She seemed more traumatized than in pain. Oh well, being the second last to die is pretty commendable, plus she got to experience the sun!
Capa: .........I'd kill to die like that.
Trey: I pick Trey for emotional pain, I guess. I think he had the hardest time out of all of them simply because he felt that he jeopardized the most important project ever launched by humanity and was responsible for the deaths in the crew (not to mention untold billions of life forms). It doesn't get worse than this, it just doesn't!
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Post by hadara on Aug 21, 2007 14:59:29 GMT -5
I agree with the above post. Kaneda, Searle, Cassie and Capa went in the way of embracing the sun, accepting death, and sacrificing themselves. I HATE that Mace's leg got trapped like that, but he was so numb that he most likely did not feel the full force of the pain, and he died knowing the Capa was going to do whatever it took to fulfill the mission, and he gave Capa that chance by getting the power back on somewhat. I feel the worst for Corazon, Trey and Harvey; but out of the three, definitely Corazon and Trey had it the worst. Corazon because she had no time to prepare and was in such an amazing hopeful moment, and she was so brutally killed; Trey because he was in such agonizing psychological pain and took his own life. They were all extremely difficult deaths to watch even though Kaneda, Searle and Capa were so peaceful. I can't explain how much I was crying when Searle was whispering, "Kaneda! What do you see? What do you see?" At least Harvey only had a few moments to know what was happening and did not suffer too much.
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Post by chero on Aug 21, 2007 18:23:34 GMT -5
Searle: Again, likes the sun. He's always dreamed of seeing it full force. I think he was jealous of Kaneda... I think he wanted to be left on Icarus I. He died happy. I have to disagree with you on this. Searle looked sad to me, especially when you hear his last words to Capa ("We are only stardust."). He died with that mentality. Very sad. Sure he was obsessed with the Sun, but I think at that moment he wasn't as happy to see the blast as he was previously. Corazon: Getting stabbed just as you found renewed hope for life? Being unable to warn anyone else of the danger? That's rough. Definitely think she has one of the worst deaths. I cringe everytime I see her death even though I know it's coming. It's just scary. However, I think she got one of the better deaths since Pinbacker stabbed her in a place where she could have been paralyzed and perhaps numb. In any case, she died almost instantly by the way Pinbacker laid her down. Cassie: She was stabbed? I never was quite sure what Pinbacker did to her. She seemed more traumatized than in pain. Oh well, being the second last to die is pretty commendable, plus she got to experience the sun! Yes, she was stabbed by Pinbacker and was posed as bait for Capa on the payload. In the Sunshine auction, there were a few bloody vests of Cassie's that show where she got stabbed - in the stomach. Trey: I pick Trey for emotional pain, I guess. I think he had the hardest time out of all of them simply because he felt that he jeopardized the most important project ever launched by humanity and was responsible for the deaths in the crew (not to mention untold billions of life forms). It doesn't get worse than this, it just doesn't! I chose Harvey because of the tension and unpredictability. The whole situation is scary when you think about it; going into space without proper equipment. It sends shivers down my spine (get it?). Also, I figured that Trey enjoyed his last moments because he was in the Earth Room afterall and he chose his fate whereas some crew members were pressured to make a choice or weren't even given one. However, I agree with you that Trey's feelings were by far one of the worst of the crew.
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Post by neiru2012 on Aug 21, 2007 20:20:46 GMT -5
Searle looked sad to me, especially when you hear his last words to Capa ("We are only stardust."). He died with that mentality. I can see what you mean about Searle being sad that he had to die, but I think he wouldn't have liked to die any other way. The "we are only stardust" quote, though, I've always seen as something he said to comfort Capa. Maybe I'm projecting my own feelings about that quote onto him. To me it means realization of oneness with the universe and a very happy, empowering thing... almost reminiscient of eternal life or reincarnation. Like, "don't be sad, I'm just returning back to what I really am."
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Post by nimue on Aug 21, 2007 22:23:04 GMT -5
Mace because he died a SLOW and PAINFUL death in which he felt every bit of it. *remembers his leg and winces*
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Post by chero on Aug 21, 2007 23:44:01 GMT -5
I can see what you mean about Searle being sad that he had to die, but I think he wouldn't have liked to die any other way. The "we are only stardust" quote, though, I've always seen as something he said to comfort Capa. Maybe I'm projecting my own feelings about that quote onto him. To me it means realization of oneness with the universe and a very happy, empowering thing... almost reminiscient of eternal life or reincarnation. Like, "don't be sad, I'm just returning back to what I really am." There are several ways to look at that quote, but I chose the more depressing one. The way I look at it is this: Searle believes that it doesn't matter if he dies since all life is meaningless (i.e. stardust). He just sacrificed himself to do some good for another "stardust." Everyone dies eventually, but he chose to end his sooner because life isn't as special as he hoped it would be. I really think that Pinbacker's message had an effect on him. It's all hard to explain plainly.
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Post by aroreiel on Aug 22, 2007 13:48:41 GMT -5
To be honest, I think they are all pretty horrific deaths. Death being horrific in any sense. I mean at one point, they all knew they were going to die anyway, no matter what they did. (They were all slowly suffocating) They all had to face it in some way.
But the worst deaths would be the slow and PAINFUL ones. So, if I had to pick I'd say Harvey and Mace.
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Post by kaliszewski on Aug 22, 2007 23:26:22 GMT -5
Death isn't pretty-- and film shouldn't try to make it pretty, so....
I'm thinking of this more as the "best" death in death's terms-- that is, the most shocking, awkward, brutal, unexpected terminal violation. Had a tie running between Trey and Cassie, but, having seen where the bloodstains ended up on Cassie's costume (and taking a degree of old-school feminist offense at same) and (not-quite-)witnessing Cassie's indignity at being mortally wounded off-screen (a trait she shares with Trey-- and I wonder if Pinbacker actually tracking her down and stabbing her-- with that DUMB SCALPEL, yet!-- You don't STAB people with a scalpel! [Flimsy blade! Insufficient penetration!]-- will be included among "Sunshine"'s deleted scenes on DVD?), I have to give Cassie the nod. That was an ugly one-- and, as such, the most true-to-life. Barring the stuff about the scalpel, that is: you wouldn't bleed out on a single shot to the gut. Not where he stabbed her, anyway. Oh, well....
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Post by Starry_MelC on Aug 23, 2007 5:41:08 GMT -5
But although I think Corazon's death is the worst but I think the most miserable death would be Searle's... when Cassie says "We love you", poor Searle looks soooo sad.... And should I be happy that Corazon's winning in this poll? and I'm quite surprised that Kaneda didnt get a vote... our poor Captain..
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Post by chero on Aug 23, 2007 10:54:10 GMT -5
And should I be happy that Corazon's winning in this poll? and I'm quite surprised that Kaneda didnt get a vote... our poor Captain.. I would have voted for Kaneda since a part me died with him, but that would've been bias. Also, if anyone noticed, Kaneda was mildly crying when Capa was leaving him.
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Post by Starry_MelC on Aug 24, 2007 5:13:17 GMT -5
I would have voted for Kaneda since a part me died with him, but that would've been bias. Also, if anyone noticed, Kaneda was mildly crying when Capa was leaving him. Really? oh my... I feel soooooooooooo sad now..........
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