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Post by brittany on Apr 17, 2007 13:00:33 GMT -5
Then someone else who even tried loads of times to comment, even on my *personal* blog about how the whole film was stupid because there *wouldn't* be a 'last man alone with God' because people wouldn't even *look* like people in the future. Seriously. Whoa, that's messed up.
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Post by chero on Apr 17, 2007 13:53:07 GMT -5
I had someone (American) who sent about 10 different comments all extremely abusive about the American release date (I couldn't even put anything up here cos the swearing filter would make it read: 'thingy this' and 'thingy that'!)... Does anyone think that the censorship on this forum is too restrictive? It's all default by the way. I could change it... Then someone else who even tried loads of times to comment, even on my *personal* blog about how the whole film was stupid because there *wouldn't* be a 'last man alone with God' because people wouldn't even *look* like people in the future. Seriously. That is going too far. Wow! What else are you not telling us? Give me a break.
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Post by Amanda on Apr 17, 2007 14:28:35 GMT -5
It's so sad, but aside from here basically, almost everything people say about the film makes me want to stab myself in the face. It's so upsetting and not really enjoyable anymore... It's especially ridiculous that they would go to your personal blog to bash the film. Ugh.
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Post by sunshinedna on Apr 17, 2007 16:52:08 GMT -5
To be honest, I don't get that many negative comments at all. But when I do they are often *violently* negative. There are very, very few 'saw the film. didn't like it.' they are all 'F-uck you! You're all a bunch of stupid 'thingies'! I HOPE THIS FILM BOMBS!!!!! IT'S S_HIT! I'm going to download it and give it to everyone so you lose money, F-UCKERS!' I genuinely don't understand. I've never seen a film which made me react violently like that... Seriously. I thought "Mission to Mars" was a pile of poo - it's the only film I seriously considered walking out of. I didn't want to beat up the filmmakers or the actors after seeing it though...it tells me that the people who don't like 'Sunshine' have other issues...
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Post by brittany on Apr 17, 2007 19:32:08 GMT -5
it tells me that the people who don't like 'Sunshine' have other issues... Seriously!
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Post by Starry_MelC on Apr 17, 2007 19:33:12 GMT -5
Well, guess what, we're gonna bring everyone to the cinema! Some people are just soooo immature... Me too... I mean, I've seen some crappy films, but still, if I hate it, I hate it... I don't go to people's blog JUST to scream obscenities at the film...
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Post by brittany on Apr 17, 2007 19:38:59 GMT -5
I don't go to people's blog JUST to scream obscenities at the film... It's like they have nothing else to do in their dismal lives... it's really sad to say the least.
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Post by sunshinedna on Apr 26, 2007 11:46:49 GMT -5
Captain Daniel Pinbacker's costume is *mine* (click for biggie)
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Post by Starry_MelC on Apr 26, 2007 18:57:05 GMT -5
Captain Daniel Pinbacker's costume is *mine* (click for biggie) DANIEL Pinbacker??? I didn't know his first name is Daniel... Can I ask why the left side of the costume is so colorful??
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Post by sunshinedna on Apr 26, 2007 19:25:18 GMT -5
The colourful bits are military medals. Yep, Daniel. But that's not in the film, nor do I think it's in the shooting script. But there were quite a lot of things filmed with him that didn't make it to the film, one of which included him saying his full name. I'm going to try and find some footage of him in this costume, but it might be in a vault somewhere...
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Post by Starry_MelC on Apr 27, 2007 11:19:49 GMT -5
The colourful bits are military medals. Yep, Daniel. But that's not in the film, nor do I think it's in the shooting script. But there were quite a lot of things filmed with him that didn't make it to the film, one of which included him saying his full name. I'm going to try and find some footage of him in this costume, but it might be in a vault somewhere... really?? that's interesting!!! maybe we can see the deleted scenes in the dvd...
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Post by sunshinedna on Apr 27, 2007 13:57:46 GMT -5
really?? that's interesting!!! maybe we can see the deleted scenes in the dvd... I hope so, too! The first version of the film I saw started with Pinbacker's voice over not Capa's. I think they also filmed his 'last message home'... hopefully it'll all be on the DVD. ;D
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Post by chero on Apr 29, 2007 14:35:22 GMT -5
really?? that's interesting!!! maybe we can see the deleted scenes in the dvd... I hope so, too! The first version of the film I saw started with Pinbacker's voice over not Capa's. I think they also filmed his 'last message home'... hopefully it'll all be on the DVD. ;D The suit looks amazing by the way...
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Post by skorch on May 21, 2007 4:09:19 GMT -5
This movie opens with the psychologist's fascination with the sun, as he is decreasing the filter to view it. "You lose yourself in it... it envelops you, it becomes you. It's very strange...I recommend it."
i got the idea throughout the movie that there was a mystery associated with the sun, and that it was this unnatural effect responsible for pinbacker appearing on icarus II.
the captain wasn't 'living', or at least not naturally, i don't think. this is shown by the weird response when the chick stabs him.
What do you see the captain of Icarus II doing in the beginning of the movie? He is going over a certain part of the film from Icarus 1, the part where it's captain is talking about something 'beautiful' coming from the sun. He "watched them hit [the ship] from observation." The captain watching the video is affected by this report, to the point that he resigns himself to his death on the outside, when he clearly could have made more attempts to save himself (as evidenced by kappas yelling, "why isn't he moving?!"), a death involving him getting to turn around and see the sun as he dies. The suns mystery is stressed when the psychologist (who has developed a weird habit of 'staring' at the sun, and reports its euphoric effects on him at the beginning) repeatedly asks the captain as he comes into view of the sun, "What do you see? What do you see??" I think the psychologist is expecting something, or knows something the others don't, about the mystery of the sun (he is whispering). So much so, that when he is left behind, what does he do? Does he try to survive? Or at least seem to consider the possibility of rescue? Theres plenty of oxygen, and probably food. No, he goes to die in the observation room of Icarus 1. He doesn't seem sad, or scared, but like he is about to confront something (he puts on his glasses, just like he did aboard Icarus II when he stares at the sun)
The psychologist also undergoes some facial changes after he starts staring at the sun, as he picks at his forehead to peal some skin in one scene (I have a nice screenshot of his left side in Icarus 1's airlock, showing this, but i doubt it'd be allowed here). I also want to relate this to the scars on pinbacker, which might have come from the sun.
The biggest mover for me was what pinbacker said on the screen aboard Icarus 1. "...we are dust, and, through this dust, we will return." He was fried (or at least some of the crew were) by the sun in the observation room, and becomes dust. And, as he prophecized , he does return.
(edit: Notice, if you watch the movie again, that at EXACTLY the same moment the psychologist touches the DUST figures in the room and topples part of it, the airlock blows. We can assume that the suicidal asian guy did not sabotage the airlock, it was pinbacker, and, maybe, that was the moment he was 'released' or something... eh, it's a stretch, but something's there!)
It isn't possible for him to have lived those several years, unchanging, and in the same state as he was in the movie aboard Icarus 1. The movie portrays Icarus 1 as devoid of mobile life, supporting this. Dust was settled thick, with no stirring for a very long time.
Pinbacker doesn't stand up in Icarus II's observation room (which is full of blinding sunlight) as if he has stolen his way on board the ship, as if he is trying to be unnoticed. He doesn't even seem to be aware of his surroundings, asking "are you an angel?" It's like he just arrived. And what is in the background of his arrival? The sun, shining through the observation filter.
Whenever someone's death in the movie has something to do with the sun, it's portrayed as a spectacle, sometimes (2 or 3 times) with ambient-electro, intense music. But when they died from something like missing the airlock, freezing to death, or by being stabbed, it was portrayed more dark, and gloomy.
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Post by neiru2012 on Aug 12, 2007 22:59:41 GMT -5
1. Well, this was already answered but, besides working water and thriving oxygen garden, they did say there was enough food on the ship to sustain 8 crew members for, what was it, 4 years? Seeing as how there was only one remaining crew member, I could see the food lasting a while.
2. This was the only thing that baffled me about his survival. On the video playback of him talking about dust, which I am assuming took place a bit before the mass suicide, Pinbacker already looks burned. I swear you can see the muscle tissue in his face. Also, after he broke the computers, Icarus I's observation room no longer had a filter, so if he tried sunbathing there he'd get incinerated like the rest of the crew. I had also assumed that he had spent time with the sun for the entire few years he was alone on the ship. I thought maybe somehow the sun's radiation mutated him and/or he acclimated to the heat/light (I certainly don't know how his eyes survived). But no, I honestly can't see even a mutant surviving the unfiltered sun.
Then it was mentioned in this thread that he hid from the light all these years and only had the chance to "safely" see the sun on Icarus II. That seems a lot more plausible. But how much could his initial burns have healed in all these years of isolation. Could all the burns he had have come from the brief time he spent in the Icarus II observation room? Could he even withstand such intense light after living in darkness for years? Was he simply too crazy to care?
Also, on Icarus I's observation room, past the exit, it looks like there's an imprint seared into the back wall. The imprint of an upright human looking like he's shielding himself from the sun. Could that have been Pinbacker running out at the last minute while the rest of the crew got fried?
3. I say some were probably there for a Heaven's Gate-type willing suicide, others did it more out of despair with no options left, maybe they were forced. Still, I think it's Pinbacker's fault. I think it was his ideas, and him tampering with the computer.
4. Capa IS an angel!!
5. This has already been officially answered. I always assumed it was Pinbacker that did it after he boarded Icarus II. His goal was to decimate Icarus II's crew and he figured it was easy to take out the four crew members still on Icarus I this way. My own initial thought was that even though I don't know how the Icaruses function, Pinbacker as a captain knows all the manual controls and would've been able to do it undetected. I also want to add that when the crew members were discussing who could have decoupled the airlock, that in itself told me that there is a way to do it manually.
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