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Post by nyspaceman on Aug 24, 2007 8:52:43 GMT -5
I just ordered the book myself. It seems to be much more expansive than the film.
What are we to make of Pinbacker's defeat in the film as it is? Let me just add that I've never been entirely sure *how* he is defeated. They rip off his skin -- a symbolism? -- and he stands there... drooling? LOL There is more to this than meets the eye.
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Post by nimue on Aug 24, 2007 10:02:25 GMT -5
Wait... the book said he was drooling?
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Post by generichiphop on Aug 26, 2007 22:36:22 GMT -5
My interpretation was that Cassie had, like Eve, given in. When Capa approaches her at the end, she's in a mesmerized state. Without Capa, she would have given herself up to the Sun.
Also, another huge part of the human element that wasn't discussed was Mace's atheistic and utilitarian contribution. His atheism helped recreate God and God surely will recreate atheism.
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Post by nyspaceman on Aug 27, 2007 19:26:01 GMT -5
Also, another huge part of the human element that wasn't discussed was Mace's atheistic and utilitarian contribution. His atheism helped recreate God and God surely will recreate atheism. It's funny you should mention that, as I really enjoyed Mace's character, perhaps as much as Capa. In an earlier post I mention that he does appear to symbolize the logos (logical) drive of humanity, particularly in his clear-sighted goal-poriented nature (something which, interestingly, he has to reclaim at the start of the film, making him one of the better developed characters.). I find your observation there about the ironic circular relationship of Godhood and Man's conception and relation -- or lack of reltion, intellectually-speaking -- very interesting. I'm going to try to incorporate it into my own personal spiritual reflections to get abetter grasp of it. Would you elaborate? My interpretation was that Cassie had, like Eve, given in. When Capa approaches her at the end, she's in a mesmerized state. Without Capa, she would have given herself up to the Sun. The odd state Cassie is in when Capa finds her is, indeed, puzzling. I thought it was some kind of shock-induced stupor. But then the movie seems to make it like Pinbacker was setting up Capa, lying in ambush (a la the Eden story: the serpent uses Eve to get to Adam). However, in terms of continuity (granted, true to the gravity-warping effects of the Sun, continuity does warp and bend at this point in the film) it doesn't make any sense. Pinbacker would not have expected Capa to have gotten out of the airlock, especially by such drastic means. Moreover, I wonder if Pinbacker and Cassie were even aware that the payload had been separated. I only just purchased the script, and am slowly making my way through it. Of those who have read it, what did Garland write about the final confrontation in the payload?
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Post by neiru2012 on Aug 27, 2007 22:35:23 GMT -5
Of those who have read it, what did Garland write about the final confrontation in the payload? The final confrontation is different in the script. To me, a lot different. It's really hard to relate all its subtle and not-so-subtle differences without quoting the whole thing. I'd just suggest waiting till you get to it in the script.
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Post by nimue on Aug 27, 2007 23:12:21 GMT -5
I hope Garland reads our discussion in here and pitch in.
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Starshine
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Post by Starshine on Sept 21, 2007 8:44:52 GMT -5
Hmm...In my opinion this interpretation is a bit too religious. It's too far away from the movie because the plot in the history of creation has a lot of differences compared to the end of the movie. I don't think that the movie wants to be so religious. But such interpretaions are very personal things, especially if it's about religion so everyone see it different.
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Post by cococi on Sept 28, 2007 15:34:00 GMT -5
interesting
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Post by bagel on Jan 22, 2008 22:28:35 GMT -5
wow I love breaking down things to their basic elements and though I am not a big religious buff, seeing how this story and the relgious contexts intertwine is really interesting i think its amazing how the mind connects things sometimes and all of this makes me, in a way, convinced that it was planned or at least thought about
very interesting points ^0^
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