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Post by hongi on Mar 3, 2008 8:13:38 GMT -5
Do you think he did his job well?
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Post by chero on Mar 3, 2008 12:29:17 GMT -5
Considering the weighty circumstances, I think so. In any case I'd prefer Kaneda as captain over Harvey, his second-in-command, or Pinbacker, his professional colleague.
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Post by Starshine on Mar 4, 2008 14:34:18 GMT -5
I think he did nothing wrong but the decision to repair the solarshield with Capa, the most important person. Too bad that Kaneda died so early in the movie, he could have such a interesting character development. Considering the weighty circumstances, I think so. In any case I'd prefer Kaneda as captain over Harvey, his second-in-command, or Pinbacker, his professional colleague. Kaneda has the best leader skills, absolutely, but Pinbacker was certain also a clever captain before he got his "addiction" ;D but you are a Kaneda fangirl, aren't you  |
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Post by chero on Mar 4, 2008 17:11:19 GMT -5
but you are a Kaneda fangirl, aren't you No comment.  |
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Post by Mikey on Mar 5, 2008 2:24:07 GMT -5
I would prefer him over Pinbacker or Harvey...
So I say... Yeah!
He even went out like a soldier, sacrificing himself first.
But that is just my opinion...
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Post by stgeorges on Aug 14, 2008 8:15:14 GMT -5
To my mind, Kaneda was close to follow Pinbacker's path BUT as he was a believer he could not "kill" his fellow crew mates in order to obey to "God".
As Pinbacker said in "Live and Die" Cut Scene :
Pinbacker : God told me to bring them all to heaven
Capa : I don't believe in God
Pinbacker : neither did i
Kaneda tried to understand why such a qualified NASA captain seemed mesmerized with the Sun (remember his Classified message?) for Kaneda knew that Pinbacker was the main responsible for Icarus I's failure.
During the gorgeous Mercury Scene, did you ever notice that Danny Boyle stared at all of the crew members excepted Kaneda ?? For i think, he's already "falling from grace" like Pinbacker .. but his japanese background and his faith helped him overwhelming such an urge.
But was he a good Captain? I think so .. for he knew he was going over the edge, so he sacrificed himself in order to save his ship and its crew. .... But was it really a sacrifice? That's the question as would have say Searle.
That was my 2cents view..
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Post by jreaperz on Oct 25, 2008 5:47:10 GMT -5
NO, I think Kaneda was not even close to following Pinbacker's path. (The one that is similar in fascination about the sun is Searle actually).
And I think Kaneda is a good captain, he put the mission above everything else (similar with Mace), but the thought of the failure of Icarus-I consumed him deeply to the very end. As you can see in the part where Cassie tried to override computer to cancel the angle realignment, Kaneda ordered the opposite. Because he knew that the current condition would further jeopardize the mission. Later, he knew that Capa is more important than him in context of mission, therefore the only right choice at that time was sacrificing himself..
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Post by Starshine on Oct 27, 2008 14:11:18 GMT -5
I bet not even the strongest character could resist the magic of the sun, it's just a question of time when you get crazy if you look at it so often. The human beeing cannot bear the power of the sun for a long time in the way the Icarus crews did.
The sun IS a god in a transcendent way: It's the creator of all live on earth. Our fate is absolutely determined by the sun. How does it feel to face it?
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Post by douglas8622 on Nov 4, 2008 9:08:51 GMT -5
Hmmm Kaneda herh.. hmmm...He made a great captain, but i feel that he stays to close to capa, and gets all his decisions from him, and maybe that's why mace does not really fancy capa, because it's as if he became the captain, and Kaneda also took his own life because of Capa. but i guessed he was also doing his duty..
I'll rate him 7/10 though
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Post by troopercooper on Dec 27, 2008 8:31:13 GMT -5
I would say no. His delegation of tasks was poor, his control over certain crew members was equally so. He stated quite categorically that the decision to go to Icarus I or not would be made by Capa - very bad move for internal politics and equally because it should have always been Kaneda's call after Capa looked at the data.
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Post by reignfire on Dec 28, 2008 23:07:39 GMT -5
I agree with trooper, he wasn't. I think a good captain would hear everyone out first, including Capa, and then make a call. What bothers me isn't so much that Kaneda handed the decision to Capa (obviously he felt Capa was best qualified), but that he told the crew this. Then they knew it's Capa's call rather than believe it's his. Like trooper said, it's bad politics.
Also, I thought having both Kaneda and Capa repair the shield was a bad call. Capa's too important because he's the bomb guy (the only bomb guy on the most important mission ever for some reason) and Kaneda's supposed to stay behind to be in control if command decisions come up.
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Post by kaliszewski on Dec 30, 2008 22:33:58 GMT -5
Amen. For drama's sake, Garland played fast and loose with the concept of chain-of-command, and it simply didn't work. It wasn't believable. Makes me wonder-- yet again-- how things looked thirty or so drafts earlier. Also brings me back to "2010." Man, when I re-watched that one, the parallels with "Sunshine" just blew me away-- the only difference being that the people in charge of the mission (Helen Mirren's captain, et al.) acted like people in charge of a mission. The script allowed them to behave according to their training, intelligence, and beliefs, and still managed to generate tension and danger and drama. You wouldn't have caught Ms. Mirren out on shield duty. Nope.  |
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Post by kagmi on Jan 2, 2009 21:50:22 GMT -5
I have to say, Kaneda confused me slightly. He gets himself killed almost immediately by sending himself and Capa--who you'd think are the two most valuable crew members--out on a possibly fatal task. It seemed even odder given that he's said to have paternalistic feelings towards Capa. So he lets Capa, the only non-astronaut, go out with him on the heat shield? Because he was the first to go, we hardly got to see Kaneda in action at all.
My guess is that Kaneda's death was a choice for the sake of the plot. It wasn't really consistent with his supposed character as the most level-headed crew member--but it did allow the producers to show that the mission would fall apart without him. Perhaps there was more going on with Kaneda than meets the eye, but I don't think there's sufficient evidence to believe he was going Pinbacker's way.
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Post by warduria on Nov 4, 2009 2:24:42 GMT -5
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Post by columbo223 on Apr 29, 2010 22:47:16 GMT -5
I think he did his job well. Columbo |
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