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Post by hadara on Aug 21, 2007 15:32:47 GMT -5
I agree with aroreiel. Cassie knew it didn't matter. She knew Mace was going to do what he thought was right because he had been the person thus far most focused on what was right for the mission. But I also think that Neiru is right in that one's personal humanity or morality needed to be second to the mission that would save humanity as a whole. It's a tough call...
This may be WAAAY off, but for some reason, I thought the reason that Kaneda volunteered himself to fix the panels, and was okay with Mace's volunteering of Capa, was because he felt responsible ultimately. Nevermind if it was Capa's fault or Trey's fault; he's still the captain. He wanted to make sure it was done right. And I think that he okay'ed Capa going too, even though he was the most important person on the mission, because of Capa's nightmares. The nightmare of falling into the sun, the nervousness that Capa felt. The inevitable truth that it was going to come down to Capa rising to the occasion - maybe he felt that Capa getting out there in the suit and completing this really stressful task would give him the courage to face his fears and be more "together" when the time came to perform, or shall we say, shine? I dunno.
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Post by neiru2012 on Aug 21, 2007 15:46:46 GMT -5
The inevitable truth that it was going to come down to Capa rising to the occasion - maybe he felt that Capa getting out there in the suit and completing this really stressful task would give him the courage to face his fears and be more "together" when the time came to perform, or shall we say, shine? I dunno. I totally agree. When I'm dealing with movies and stories, I tend to look at it from a writer's point of view in terms of establishing precedent. Capa HAD to go out in that space suit because it HAD to be demonstrated to the audience that he COULD. Otherwise, when he puts on the spacesuit later in the airlock and knows how to use it, it would've come out of nowhere and wouldn't "flow" with the audience's perception of Capa as a character. It was also important to establish that Capa is afraid of going into open space, to add more power to later scenes when he overcomes that fear for the greater good.
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Post by massiefan on Aug 23, 2007 4:06:07 GMT -5
Exactly what I've been saying. Mace was right. Of course he was right. And yet, pretty much everyone on board that ship WAS seriously considering otherwise. I've mentioned before that if everyone had listened to him, they'd have finished their mission, and they would most likely all still be alive.
But if we had to vote? Die, Capa, die.
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Post by brittany on Aug 23, 2007 9:32:23 GMT -5
But if we had to vote? Die, Capa, die. This is funny coming from you. And I'm thinking:
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Post by kagerou on Aug 27, 2007 0:55:30 GMT -5
Haha, Kali, I'm just checking here, but did you even like this movie?
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Post by linda on Jul 5, 2008 22:04:22 GMT -5
I would have answered just as Capa did.... I mean, what's the point of keeping a member alive anyway just to make him sleep , when they know that : they won't come back home and he's not getting any better since they're all dying very soon and the only thing that counts is the bomb ....? Even if they don't kill him, they're all dying and I see no reason to choose an active crew memeber, who still can contribute to the mission, instead of someone who is already "lost" . I really think they made the right decision. (Actually Cassie is not helping the mission here, because she knows it is the most logical thing to do ).
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Post by chero on Jul 9, 2008 15:44:40 GMT -5
If you really think about it, Cassie is the true murderer when she voted "No" because that would kill off more than one person (and this goes beyond the life inside the spaceship ). I have to admit though that the voting scene is one of my favorites in the film. Danny Boyle sure knows how to use his actors to their fullest potential. Rose Byrne's eyes are amazing on their own.
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Post by linda on Jul 10, 2008 1:11:06 GMT -5
If you really think about it, Cassie is the true murderer when she voted "No" because that would kill off more than one person (and this goes beyond the life inside the spaceship ). Yeah, definitely! I agree, she is really great in that scene
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Post by Starshine on Jul 10, 2008 7:20:14 GMT -5
The rational argument is logical, of course. But it's a hard ethical decision to kill someone to save other humans, especially when there is none who wants to die freely. Imagine how the situation would look like if Trey would be awake and not ready to die. Or if there would be none who could kill a human. Actually, it was easy for the crew.
They just had to stop the drugs because it was obvious that Trey would do the rest. His suicide was the best solution for all, Mace had not to be a killer.
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Post by nimue on Jul 12, 2008 1:06:02 GMT -5
But then there's still the question of whether Trey did kill himself or crazy old super sunburned Captain did.
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Post by linda on Jul 13, 2008 2:48:30 GMT -5
I think Trey killed himself...first of all there are two missing scalpels... also I don't think that Pinbacker would have been interested in making it look like a suicide at all...and the look Trey has in his face when he hears that the bomb on Icarus I is useless really makes me think that at that point he goes to commit suicide.
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Post by Seren on Jul 19, 2008 4:46:30 GMT -5
I'm not really sure what I would've done, to be honest I might have had to do a Cassie and just say no, all the while knowing it would be done anyway. It could be seen as the cowards way out but...ahh, too early to debate that right now. Basically, me being me, as fickle and indecisive as I am (really, it's getting to the point of illness now, I cannot make decisions) i'd likely be that complete beggar who won't comprimise their own humanity/morals but still expects someone else to. I wouldn't want Trey to die, but if I had to, I'd vote that he does, as long as it's not by my hand.
As for Trey I think it could go either way. He was pretty distraught about everything and the birds were on in the earth room, so it's possible he'd gone there to kill himself but have some semblance of earth as the last thing he'd ever see.
However, the fact that Pinbacker had his little collection of scalpels (or just reused the same one again and again) shows that he had been near Trey, maybe before he was killed or could be after. As for your point about Pinbacker not wanting to make it look like a suicide linda, there's a chance he might've. Think about Corrie, how he posed her in one of the positions of the Buddha and then he did the same with Cassie, she was posed sitting in the middle of the payload.
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Post by linda on Jul 21, 2008 22:22:51 GMT -5
As for your point about Pinbacker not wanting to make it look like a suicide linda, there's a chance he might've. Think about Corrie, how he posed her in one of the positions of the Buddha and then he did the same with Cassie, she was posed sitting in the middle of the payload. I think this is one more reason to think he didn't...both the persons he "arranged" , were in very "forced" positions, positions that would have made even more clear that they were killed (or almost killed, for Cassie) and then posed like that , just like they were some kind of "works of art" to Pinbacker. Nothing similar to faking a suicide ...
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